thanks for replying d0z3rr. a third of the community checks this out but only one person stops to help. Soooo Blood Elf sounds like another alternative for the pally and i would assume the steal mana racial would benefit somewhat. HOWEVER I believe war stomp plus inherent pally stuns would be pretty overpowering. with mana totems i realy shouldn't have that much of a problem with mana. War stomp would be detrimental to both casters and melee when blood elf racial is only anti caster. In my humble opinion that is.....