4 Boxing and story line

[balrog78]

I agree that the camera and face alignment of slaves is a problem but other than that to level up in SWTOR with 4 accounts is very easy. I think its even easier than in WOW (of course there is no RAF). I am not much slower compared solo leveling. E.g. yesterday I made 3.5 levels in 6h (29-32.5). I think that this is ok.

[mmmbox]

leveling 5 box team in wow was tedious even with RAFsince all you wanted was to max level.

Atm i dont find it tedious at all i rather make a point of doing all quests plus bonus on each level before i leave and i enjoy it.

I am in no hurry to reach 50.

also once you get your keymaps set and understand how the classes you play works its really easy.

where in wow having range was the norm i am finding to have 3 melee as i do now with one range healer to be super fun and efficient due to how the melee skills works.

[Apps]

leveling 5 box team in wow was tedious even with RAFsince all you wanted was to max level.

Atm i dont find it tedious at all i rather make a point of doing all quests plus bonus on each level before i leave and i enjoy it.

I am in no hurry to reach 50.

also once you get your keymaps set and understand how the classes you play works its really easy.

where in wow having range was the norm i am finding to have 3 melee as i do now with one range healer to be super fun and efficient due to how the melee skills works.

^ +1

[balrog78]

The really bad parts are:

- travel to dromund kaas
- travel to nar shadaa
- travel to blah-blah-blah
- travel to all places you have visited before to waste a maximum amount of time

Whenever I come to these stupid parts I am considering cancelling my subscriptions. Its even worse when boxing. Its similar to wow shaman totem quest - but it happens regualary.

[Bloodcloud]

Since we are into QQ , I have a couple of points to add:

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1: Camera positioning is crap (no possibility to reset camera to face the same way as your toon.)
2: Elevators are bad (since every toon needs to click on them (also because of 1: )
3: most moving platforms break follow to that extend that slaves won't go on them and you have to move them manually
4: phased zones break follow, and you have to move the toons manually nto the zone (not just class zones and group instances, but also zones which are unlocked, by a keypad or so)
5: no target of target view (this is fortunately possible with VideoFX)
6: no macros (needed, ischanneling, target dead, assist...)

</QQ>

[mmmbox]

This is going to come off as a bit arrogant perhaps.

But I don’t know how to put it otherwise.

---With IS boxer, this game, in its current state is the easiest MMO to multibox that I am currently aware of---

my references are 5box wow, 7box eve, 3box eq1, 5box STO and with IS boxer even those games are "easy" to multibox.

Remember, you are a multiboxer the word EASY is relative, complaining that you actually have to once in a while DO SOMETHING on the other chars besides the main is hilarious, YOU ARE A MULTIBOXER, what do you expect

only time I know of that I have to switch to other chars is

1 to x zone lines
2 to pick up individually dropped quest items
3 to click on lore objects (if you care about them)

you do not need macros in this game to multibox IS boxer takes care of that need.

For all its similarities this is not wow, stop applying wow boxing thinking, you can pretty much box just as efficiently as you can in wow and in some areas like combat EVEN BETTER due to how their ability system works, it’s like having the old /click system back but without the need to track "clicks"

Read the posts, Mosg compendium and others, it’s all there and once you get the hang of how swtor works from a boxing perspective you will have a blast

If you don't like the game you don't like it but that has nothing to do with mboxing or not.

In old vanilla wow macro system you could actually have a macro with /do ability 1 then 2 then 3 etc and so forth and the macro would simply jump to the next ability if the 1st was on cool down, this got nerfed later on so macros would "lock" if the 1st ability was on cool down hence it would not proceed to ability 2.

This is the state of the SWTOR ability system now, only,,, you do not have the option of making macros as such in game...

This is the biggest flaw in the ability system currently, and there are 4 ways this will go.

1 leave it as it is and the game will be ruled by G15, naga, IS boxers etc.
2 revise the ability system
3 revise the ability system and introduce macros
4 adopt the STO (star trek online) way of controlling button mashing, it’s really smart where butting mashing actually sort of cancel abilities out, i.e. if you press an ability GCD activates and if you press another ability before GCD has run it will cancel the previously activated ability.

[Lyonheart]

This is going to come off as a bit arrogant perhaps.

But I don’t know how to put it otherwise.

---With IS boxer, this game, in its current state is the easiest MMO to multibox that I am currently aware of---

my references are 5box wow, 7box eve, 3box eq1, 5box STO and with IS boxer even those games are "easy" to multibox.

Remember, you are a multiboxer the word EASY is relative, complaining that you actually have to once in a while DO SOMETHING on the other chars besides the main is hilarious, YOU ARE A MULTIBOXER, what do you expect

only time I know of that I have to switch to other chars is

1 to x zone lines
2 to pick up individually dropped quest items
3 to click on lore objects (if you care about them)

you do not need macros in this game to multibox IS boxer takes care of that need.

For all its similarities this is not wow, stop applying wow boxing thinking, you can pretty much box just as efficiently as you can in wow and in some areas like combat EVEN BETTER due to how their ability system works, it’s like having the old /click system back but without the need to track "clicks"

Read the posts, Mosg compendium and others, it’s all there and once you get the hang of how swtor works from a boxing perspective you will have a blast

If you don't like the game you don't like it but that has nothing to do with mboxing or not.

In old vanilla wow macro system you could actually have a macro with /do ability 1 then 2 then 3 etc and so forth and the macro would simply jump to the next ability if the 1st was on cool down, this got nerfed later on so macros would "lock" if the 1st ability was on cool down hence it would not proceed to ability 2.

This is the state of the SWTOR ability system now, only,,, you do not have the option of making macros as such in game...

This is the biggest flaw in the ability system currently, and there are 4 ways this will go.

1 leave it as it is and the game will be ruled by G15, naga, IS boxers etc.
2 revise the ability system
3 revise the ability system and introduce macros
4 adopt the STO (star trek online) way of controlling button mashing, it’s really smart where butting mashing actually sort of cancel abilities out, i.e. if you press an ability GCD activates and if you press another ability before GCD has run it will cancel the previously activated ability.

Ok.. well I'll list ONE thing about WoW that makes it easier than any other game ( not to mention everything else ) a little thing called IWT. You can get quests..loot quest items off mobs....stick on a guy when in melee ( with all your guys ) you can do all these things and more from your lead toon and never have to switch to your alts. That alone makes it easier than SWG.. not to mention..macros. ( castsequences, /clicks.bla bla bla.) To say SWtOR is easier is just plane &^%$!

Is SWtOR boxable? Yes! It is in no way easier.

[Pyro_box]

Is SWtOR boxable? Yes! It is in no way easier.

However; having a companion scream " I WILL BATHE IN YOUR BLOOD" makes all the little nuances worth it.

[mmmbox]

Ok.. well I'll list ONE thing about WoW that makes it easier than any other game ( not to mention everything else ) a little thing called IWT. You can get quests..loot quest items off mobs....stick on a guy when in melee ( with all your guys ) you can do all these things and more from your lead toon and never have to switch to your alts. That alone makes it easier than SWG.. not to mention..macros. ( castsequences, /clicks.bla bla bla.)

you kinda made my entire case with that, to box wow you need all that (macros etc) to box efficiantly, jamba, IWT etc and so on.

I 4 box swtor just as efficiant without all of it because of the way swtor is designed, mouse repeat region for join conversation and you basically set for questing and you have achived what in wow you need jamba/macros etc.

but when it comes down to boxing none of that matters, what matters is efficiancy in combat, again here due to the ability design of swtor to achive dreamlike efficiancy in swtor from a boxing perspecitve is hillarious.

you refere to the tools wow gives you to achive your boxing goals (/assist name /cast sequence) etc.

I already told you, stop placing wow thinking on swtor, ISboxer is your uber friend here also swtor doenst respond the same way as wow does to input commands like follow, assist etc

ill give you an example.

you make a mapped key in isboxer, we call it E, to that key we map the follwing functions

step 1 - target char - follow char (we tell the game to target and follow what ever char is my main atm, yes with is boxer i have full FLT)
step 2 - assist char - (remember from follow we already have our "main" targeted
step 3 - press buttons 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 (now this is what i mean by saying the way swtor handles this input is hillarious and because of ability design)

(what you need to understand here is that the game tries to fire of ability 1-8 (you need to set que time to zero as well), meaning 1st ability in the order 1-8 not on cooldown will be triggered, wow doesnt accept input like that, sto has an inbuild filter that prevents it, EQ doenst work that way etc and so on)

the language of wow has 1 000 000 words, swtor has 1000, but you say wow is easier because you have spoken it for 7 years

(i have a melee team which is why i put follow in there)

you just place your combat abilites in the order you want them to fire of as long as they have cool downs and last you place the ability with out cool down.

By some weird coincidence the abilites in this game (dps) that doesnt have cool down or "cost" are the ones you want last in a prio order.

because of how swtor works and how the game responds to the input of these commands you get an EFFECT in game i never dreamed of as a multiboxer would be this easy to achive iwt doesnt even come close, your chars will dance with you where ever you go, never facing the wrong way and so on, do this ingame and you will understand what i mean.

IWT for questing, i will give you that, but again, swtor doesnt even come close to the teidiousness of wow's gather 10 - 20 of x crap

I am not saying you cannot achive similar results in any other game, but no way near this easy with this near perfect efficiancy (from a boxing perspecitve).

[IMTrick]

you kinda made my entire case with that, to box wow you need all that (macros etc) to box efficiantly, jamba, IWT etc and so on.

I really have to agree here. With ISBoxer it's just dirt-simple to multibox melee in TOR; far easier than I ever found it to be in WoW. My setup looks a lot like you described the only major difference being a follow command after the assist, and it just works. No macros, no add-ons... and honestly, there's not much I used macros for in WoW that I've found I really need.

I'm having a blast with it incidentally. But yeah, just wanted to throw my two cents in say this is probably about the most boxer-friendly game I've tried it on.