G11 G-keys + Keyclone - probably a silly question

[Gadaí]

First of all, apologies if this is a frequent question, I tried searching the forums for similar posts and couldn't find any which addressed this specific issue.I've been triple boxing for a while now (palatank, resto shaman, frost mage), running 1 account on my 'main' machine (computer A) and the mage/shaman on a second machine (computer B). I've been using Keyclone up to this point to pass keystrokes from computer A to computer B and found it to be very useful/good/praiseworthy. Since I'm consider moving up to 5 accounts (thinking palatank, resto shaman, 3 x frost mage) I thought I should increase the available number of keys for controlling my alts actions (just been using the Numpad up to now, set up in Keyclone as a white list in the do-not-pass interface). With this in mind I purchased some Logitech G11 Keyboards. My initial disappointment at discovering that the G-keys were not in fact uniquely mapped (I assumed that the G11 would use a custom hardware profile, loaded from the installation disk, similar to the early 102 key keyboards) was soon replaced by annoyance with it's behaviour through Keyclone. An example seems to be called for so here we go:

On computer A I create a WoW set of bindings using CTRL + F1-F3 for G1-G3 and set the WoW key bindings to the default in the profiles (this is in the G11 software). In Keyclone I go into do-not-pass and add CTRL + F1-F3 to my white list, using the G1-G3 keys to set up the entries. On computer B I set CTRL + F1 as a secondary action key for strafe left for testing purposes. My control char is a paladin so each time CTRL + F1 is entered his Devotion Aura turns on or off (the default key binding within WoW for CTRL + F1) so I know that when I hit G1 Devotion will activate or de-activate if the G-key profile is working properly. When I hit the G1 key the Devotion aura fires on the paladin but on the second character the 'target self' function takes place - the WoW key binding for that being F1. I tried this using different key modifiers (ALT, SHIFt, ALT + SHIFT, CTRL + ALT, CTRL + SHIFT) and the behaviour is identical, that while the 'normal' key is being passed through Keyclone (F1/etc) that the modifying key (CTRl, ALT, SHIFT) is being lost after it is passed from computer A to computer B but before the combination is entered in WoW on computer B (since F1 on it's own will not be passed - I have tested that).

So - any suggestions as to the cause of this behaviour? Any advice would be appreciated :thumbsup:

[Dezeral]

First of all, apologies if this is a frequent question, I tried searching the forums for similar posts and couldn't find any which addressed this specific issue.I've been triple boxing for a while now (palatank, resto shaman, frost mage), running 1 account on my 'main' machine (computer A) and the mage/shaman on a second machine (computer B). I've been using Keyclone up to this point to pass keystrokes from computer A to computer B and found it to be very useful/good/praiseworthy. Since I'm consider moving up to 5 accounts (thinking palatank, resto shaman, 3 x frost mage) I thought I should increase the available number of keys for controlling my alts actions (just been using the Numpad up to now, set up in Keyclone as a white list in the do-not-pass interface). With this in mind I purchased some Logitech G11 Keyboards. My initial disappointment at discovering that the G-keys were not in fact uniquely mapped (I assumed that the G11 would use a custom hardware profile, loaded from the installation disk, similar to the early 102 key keyboards) was soon replaced by annoyance with it's behaviour through Keyclone. An example seems to be called for so here we go:

On computer A I create a WoW set of bindings using CTRL + F1-F3 for G1-G3 and set the WoW key bindings to the default in the profiles (this is in the G11 software). In Keyclone I go into do-not-pass and add CTRL + F1-F3 to my white list, using the G1-G3 keys to set up the entries. On computer B I set CTRL + F1 as a secondary action key for strafe left for testing purposes. My control char is a paladin so each time CTRL + F1 is entered his Devotion Aura turns on or off (the default key binding within WoW for CTRL + F1) so I know that when I hit G1 Devotion will activate or de-activate if the G-key profile is working properly. When I hit the G1 key the Devotion aura fires on the paladin but on the second character the 'target self' function takes place - the WoW key binding for that being F1. I tried this using different key modifiers (ALT, SHIFt, ALT + SHIFT, CTRL + ALT, CTRL + SHIFT) and the behaviour is identical, that while the 'normal' key is being passed through Keyclone (F1/etc) that the modifying key (CTRl, ALT, SHIFT) is being lost after it is passed from computer A to computer B but before the combination is entered in WoW on computer B (since F1 on it's own will not be passed - I have tested that).

So - any suggestions as to the cause of this behaviour? Any advice would be appreciated :thumbsup:

This issue has been discussed numerous times on the forums. Here is what is happening:

On toon 1 you have ctrl+F1 mapped to devo aura
On toon2 you do not have anything mapped to ctrl+F1
On toon3 you do not have anything mapped to ctrl+F1

What WoW does when you press ctrl+F1 is look for a skill or function bound to that key. If it finds one, then it fires off that skill/function. If WoW doesn't find anything bound to ctrl+F1, it will assume that you meant to hit F1 and fire off any skill/function bound to F1. To avoid this "feature" of WoW, you can remap your keys so that you don't have this scenario happen, or you can use an addon like Trinity2 or Bongos to create "fake" hotbars where you can bind empty buttons to keymappings like your ctrl+F1 scenario above. For example, you could map ctrl+F1 on toon2 and toon3 to one of these empty buttons and then WoW would see that you had a button bound to ctrl+F1 and not do anything when you press that combination.

I preferred remapping to keybindings that don't have any similar bindings. For example:
ctrl+[
or
ctrl+shift+`
or
ctrl+alt+,

There are no default bindings to the left bracket, tilde, or comma so you can avoid WoW firing off skills that you don't want it to by utilizing these keys.

[Gadaí]

While I appreciate the reply, I'm very sure that I was setting up a key binding within WoW for each of the key combinations I was testing to Strafe Left (which has a primary key of q). I also tried using the Key mapping linked here without success. Hrm, actually is your point that the key combo assigned to <whatever> on the second computer should be the primary/only associated key binding for it? Otherwise I'll retest this this evening and make certain that I'm using CTRL + F1 as the key binding in WoW for my test function though I'm 99.99% sure that I had.

[geoffdavison]

there is a ui mod on www.curse.com for using the g11/g15 keyboards... I use it in conjunction with keyclone and have no issues..

what you do is map a keystroke into the keyboard (ex G1 key is mapped to ctrl-alt-a), then you go into the keybindings function in WoW.. and you will have a keybind to map for the key (again ctrl-alt-a for G1).. all you have to do is drop/drag spells or macros into hotkey buttons in your UI that from the g15 UI mod.

What i also did was put the UI mod in all my folders so for hitting the same key i can have my toons do different things.

not the best explanation but it allows you to use the keys without violating the TOS.

Check out the mod... its worth it

[Gadaí]

I'll definitely check it out and thank you for the link Can I ask if, to use this, I need a G11 for the clone PC as well or will simply copying the AddOns folder do the job?

[geoffdavison]

i only have one g15 keyboard.. i just added the UI mod to my other interface folder... on a side note you have to do the same keybinding on the slave computer.

[Gadaí]

Right, went tinkering around last night and tested potential solutions, etc. Thanks to Geoff first of all - the mod is great and I'm happily using it (though it having 24 options per set in the Keybindings dialogue in WoW is a little confusing since there's only 18 keys...)

Secondly. I checked my key bindings in WoW, my key bindings in the G-keys Profile software (including makings sure that the WoW profile was set to default) and my pass through white list in Keyclone to ensure that CTRL + ALT + 1 (my test keybinding for last night) was set up in each and the CRTL + ALT were still getting dropped on computer B (so after being sent from computer A but before being passed into the WoW instances on computer B). What's just occurred to me now though is the following - should I have CTRL + ALT + 1 set up on the white list in Keyclone on computer B as well? I'm hoping my mistake is as simple as that

[geoffdavison]

Not sure if i understand your setup..

I only set up a few keys on do not pass (ASDW and Num lock).. my G1 key is bound to ctrl-alt-a.. and i just realized that i haven't droped anything into that key on the UI.. i will check it out tonight.

[Gadaí]

My current setup in Keyclone on computer A uses the 'white list' tickbox on the do-not-pass dialogue page. What it effectively means is that only the key combinations I enter there are passed rather then the usual set up (which would be that the key combinations I don't want passed get entered). Maybe I should try going the other route for consistency I guess... Hrm - thinking about it I'm using the white list on computer A and then the standard do-not-pass list on the clone machine (computer B). Might that be causing the issue?