No-Grace period

[warweasel]

seems a lot of people are unhappy with this.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=724271

Once again... digital download FTW.

[Palee]

Any chance this can be the "wow killer" ?

[Lyonheart]

Any chance this can be the "wow killer" ?

Nothing will ever "kill" wow..ever! A lot of people will come and go and the numbers will go down.. but look at EQ1.. it still gets expansions! WoW will be around when the kids playing it today are old and gray. Unless Blizzard decides to shut off the servers some day.. it will never die.

Will SWtOR end up with more subscribers than WoW? thats another question. I doubt it, but it has the best potential I would say.

[warweasel]

Yea.. i really wish the 'wow-killer' mentality would go away.

More accurate would be "a good alternative to wow"

Wow never was, and never will be the 'end-all' of mmorpgs. It may be the most popular currently, sure.

I mean.. anybody remember myspace? heh.

(still feels games like UO (pre good/evil server BS).. EQ1, swg, Daoc... were much more revolutionary/groundbreaking games then wow). Wow is basically a combination of those games.

Not to say that swtor isnt a combination of those games+wow.. heh

[Crum1515]

I am in the belief that there can be more than one MMO and has been for the last 200 years, this wow-killer mentality is just putting on your fail shoes on in the morning.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I am in the belief that there can be more than one MMO and has been for the last 200 years, this wow-killer mentality is just putting on your fail shoes on in the morning.

Very well said. It's not a zero-sum game. Remember when WoW launched and the biggest US mmo had about 800k subs? Yeah.

[Apps]

I am in the belief that there can be more than one MMO and has been for the last 200 years, this wow-killer mentality is just putting on your fail shoes on in the morning.

This this this.

WoW was the first to successfully manage, maintain and launch... stress "successfully". The only thing that will "kill" off WoW will be Blizzard when they retire it.

As the game as been out, more and more ideas pop up and other MMOs are born. As those other games launch, they will pull some % of subscribers from the original giant, yes. As more MMOs launch (well), slowly chipping away at the subscriber base of WoW, new players will begin playing MMOs. New to SWToR. New to Aion. New to Rift... LoToRo, GuildWars, AoC, Eve.. etc etc.

WoW wont "die" just because of more competition... at the most it will eventually get knocked down to an equal level of some of the others, at best... yet still more likely to always remain the MMO with the most number of subs. Just depends on what the kiddies want...

To use their slogan. "whats your game?" is very fitting.

[warweasel]

yea.. The single biggest thing that made wow as big as it is.. is WHEN it came out.

When i first started mmo'ing in 1995.. my friends thought i was elite because i was the first to get a 56.6k modem.

Then in '99 when i was the first to get the new "high speed cable" offered only in "select" areas. (love living in the bay area). and could play EQ without disconnects AND use my phone.

Wow came out when broadband was readily available.. computer prices were down across the board... laptops, while still expensive, were down in price and even semi-decent entry laptops could play wow.

the first major production game (big budget, big company, not the fly by night studios) to hit the market at the perfect time when the online computer age was full swing.

THAT... is why wow became so popular, so fast. Plus it is, or was rather was(stopped playing at the launch of Cata when they had that MASSIVE account hack issue and they perma banned thousands of accounts with zero customer service to get it fixed. my 5 accts and my wifes 2 accts were banned and we were so pissed at them we never came back) a very fun/solid game.

.....ok.. that came out much longer then i wanted.

[warweasel]

and com'n.. they got Mr T and Chuck Norris commercials... hard to beat that...

[Fat Tire]

I am all for more completion. Hopefully, STWOR bring more completion to wow unlike the other games have failed to do because ultimately it will only make wow better and I am all for that. If it doesnt then hopefully swtor end game is decent, because up to lvl 38 sith jugg was basically a vanilla wow leveling grind.