Earthquake

[zenga]

.06 x 20k = 1200, averages out less

You can also see it like this: if each shaman casts 8 spells in a row, each hitting for 20k (which is over all 4 shamans 32 spells cast), if no spell out of those 32 crits, EP becomes better than acuity in terms of total damage done.

So in my example, if your team does 640k damage without a single crit (over 8 spells each cast for 20k), EP will do more damage from this point (and how likely is it that not a single spell crits when you have 8 times a 65% chance that one will crit).

[valkry]

I always though that crit = dmg increases when lava burst is taken out. Please excuse this very basic math and let me know if it's wrong.

Example:
You have 0% crit and hit for 1 dmg per spell. You do 100 casts, thats 100 dmg.

You gain 3% extra dmg from talent, that makes 103 dmg.

You instead gain 3% extra crit, making, on average, 3 of those 100 casts hit for 2. 97x1 + 3x2 = 103 dmg.

[zenga]

I always though that crit = dmg increases when lava burst is taken out. Please excuse this very basic math and let me know if it's wrong.

Example:
You have 0% crit and hit for 1 dmg per spell. You do 100 casts, thats 100 dmg.

You gain 3% extra dmg from talent, that makes 103 dmg.

You instead gain 3% extra crit, making, on average, 3 of those 100 casts hit for 2. 97x1 + 3x2 = 103 dmg.

Yeah that is correct (as far as I know there is no 'hidden' extra modifier for crit chance for ele). But there are 2 things to look at:

- you multibox pvp, so personally I prefer to have a 65% chance to do 100k (normal 80k) on a target, rather than doing 82.4k normally with a 59% chance to do 103k., at least for arena
- your overload benefits as well from crit rating (also from EP of course, but only for 75% of the inital value))

[Eloxy]

Gl Eloxy in the upcoming season finaly gonna get my 2k and 2,2 achievement! Been fighting gladiators, arenamasters and tier 2 geared ppl @ 2000 MMR the whole season :/

Hope i Get enuff time to play, baby and work is taking its time was hoping to go 2k but my skill is low and rusty

[Eloxy]

Did quite som pvp yesterday and tried out EQ. and i must say im impressed so far. If you know a mele zerg is coming your way, it will litterary reduce the damage on your team with 50% cuz of the knockdown, pluss it damages them aswell. Looking forward to the dps increase aswell

[Santa]

Another example:
Let's say a tank has a 10% chance to parry, a 20% chance to dodge and a 30% chance to resist an attack (non wow related), then what is the probability that one of those occur when he gets hit?
(1-(0.9*0.8*0.7)°100
or 49.6% chance that he will either parry, block or dodge, and a 50.4% chance jackshit will happen

I'm not the expert of probability but isn't this only true if parry, dodge and resist can occur at the same time?

Otherwise it would be just 10%+20%+30%.

[Vipeax]

Santa is right.

A random source:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/wiki/avoidance_%28wow%29

Avoidance stacks additively, not multiplicatively. A character with a 50% chance to dodge and a 50% chance to parry will never get hit, not 25% of the time.

But any decent tanking site should tell you the same.

(1 - (0.5 * 0.05) = 0.75 )

[zenga]

I'm not the expert of probability but isn't this only true if parry, dodge and resist can occur at the same time?

Otherwise it would be just 10%+20%+30%.

It was a theoretical example (hence why I wrote between brackets 'non wow related). I'm not a math expert either btw. But the question is; what is the chance that the next attack can be parried, dodged or resisted i.e. what is the chance that one of the following events occur (where parry, dodge & resist are the events). Computing the chance that multiple events occur at the same time or computing the total chance to avoid the next attack is a different thing.

[Santa]

It was a theoretical example (hence why I wrote between brackets 'non wow related). I'm not a math expert either btw. But the question is; what is the chance that the next attack can be parried, dodged or resisted i.e. what is the chance that one of the following events occur (where parry, dodge & resist are the events). Computing the chance that multiple events occur at the same time or computing the total chance to avoid the next attack is a different thing.

Yeah, I wasn't talking about any game in particular either.

I was just thinking in general that there's no reason for parry, dodge and resist to happen at the same time which was the way your calculation was suggesting.

If they can't happen at the same time then the calculation using complement would be: 1-P(parry or dodge or resist)^c = 1-(.10+.20+.30)^c = 1-(.40) = .60 (^c means complement)

[zenga]

I was just thinking in general that there's no reason for parry, dodge and resist to happen at the same time which was the way your calculation was suggesting.

I'm not a native English speaker, but I wrote: "then what is the probability that one of those occur when he gets hit", and honestly I have no clue how I can suggest anything else than what I wrote. Maybe I should have added 'at least', but taking all previous posts into account I guess that was pretty obvious.