Cheers guys
so u think the problems are all Graphics card related, not a lot i can do about the laptop, apart from see if i can throw some more ram in, and the 2nd desktop is a pita, cos its a slimline basically the card i got for it was the only one in the area that was a smaller size

but that aside, the only thing i am asking these 2 comps to do is run 1 instance, not 2 or 3 like the older comp, so why the struggle.