Running a Large Guild

[Sam DeathWalker]

All that is true enough, but the simple problem is that people in this guild dont seem to want to raid. I'v even offered 2K for each person who does our first successful FL boss kill.

Its not me or not me, cause those who didn't care for me leading the guild have long since quit. Keep in mind there never was a "raiding core" in the guild it was all a bunch of farmers and the prior GM just used the guild to get as much gold out of it that he could (he raided in another guild....). He also didnt allow guild bank access. Obviously I am concerned about helping the guild that will have my name on it but ya I need the bank for my own purposes. I really dont see what is missing by not having the bank given I pay for the calderons of battle by giving the materials to the alch who can make them. And I pay for the repairs.

New people have come in and they are hot to raid when they join but then raids and schdualed and few show up. Some say they dont have enough ilevel to raid FL, others say no time that day due to rl commitments, others are doing some other things. No one in the guild seems to have a clear idea of why we dont seem to be able to get enough online at one time to raid. Although some have said not having any requirments makes it to casual for hard core raiders.

The simple fact is that all the old people in the guild are just not raiders or not interested in raiding. The new people I bring in though are up for raiding, in fact a 381 warrior just joined who is 7/7 in FL normal. So we will See, clearly it takes time to build up a 10 man core who shows up every night.

I am really miffed that we got up to 492 level 85's then fell back to 485 again .... I want to make a big annoucement about being first guild with 500 level 85's.

Its ok though although not moving forward as fast as anyone would like the new members replace the old members so there isnt any loss. We have vent, and a website, so things are better then they were under the old leader.

The other guild (reality) the PvP guild just runs itself, I pop in say hi, no one responds and I log out. The already have their 2x and 3x teams and there is really nothing for me to do. They have bank access and there is a bunch of stuff there but I just let it sit.

[MiRai]

I want to make a big annoucement about being first guild with 500 level 85's.

I'll assume you're talking about your own realm but...

...Ruinous on Kil'Jaeden has over 900 level 85's, and that's just one of their guilds. They have at least 3
guilds total in a joint alliance across the realm with many more level 85's at their disposal.

[Zub]

So how exactly would you prove that you'd be the first guild with 500 level 85? And how is that even remotely important if that guild cant even kill one raid boss?
Nevermind, i remember now, quantity vs quality ;-)

The more I read your posts the more i wonder what you suffered in your life to develop such a misplaced superiority complex. What are you really trying to prove Mr Ferris? :-)

[Khatovar]

2000g is nothing and wouldn't even remotely be worth my time as a tradeoff for mucking through what is nothing more than a PuG raid. Except when you PuG and the group you're with blows, you can leave and never have to deal with them again. In this case, if it blows, they still gotta deal with these same people because they're in your guild.

People come into a guild as a raider with the expectation to raid, not to fumble through the masses of BS to do all the work setting up a raid force. I can't blame them.

[Masochisto]

I'd suggest ignoring raiding until you can be personally involved. Once you can be involved you can take ownership of it and do what is necessary to attract raiders. It all comes down to the raid leader; and raid leading takes much more than having cleared all the fights. You really need someone that is great at playing their class and spec, great at communication, and great at handling people. These players are particularly rare.

[Oatboat]

I've personally funded 3 epic flying toons just from the extra gold thats put into GB from looting.

Not sure what that has to do with the raiding part... but as part as leading... its nice

[Sam DeathWalker]

I'll assume you're talking about your own realm but...

...Ruinous on Kil'Jaeden has over 900 level 85's, and that's just one of their guilds. They have at least 3
guilds total in a joint alliance across the realm with many more level 85's at their disposal.

Rats .... Oh well ....

[Gomotron]

Rats .... Oh well ....

Sam, I'm not trying to be an arse, but if you really pride yourself on being first in WoW in ANYTHING, you're going to have to buckle down, pick your target, and devote full time 24/7 to it.

As it is, you are a little behind time-wise from folks who have been playing this game for a long while before you started. That means that you are going to have to put in an insane amount of effort to be first at anything. From what I've seen thus far from you, you have unbridled enthusiasm but are a little too ADD to actually have a worldwide first in anything.

If you really want to do it, you have to pick your goal and then knuckle down and get it done. And that goes for developing a group of core raiders for your guild as well.

[drarkan]

Oh yeah, well I have a guild with 5 players, all mine! MUAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Zub]

Oh yeah, well I have a guild with 5 players, all mine! MUAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Maybe you're the FIRST GUILD WITH 100% level 85! WooHoo