New management discussion

[Apps]

To be clear. The only party that was involved with DB yesterday, that is no longer involved today, is Ellay. Myself and the rest of the mods are still here.

Ahh. Well that definetly make for a better decision. And very good sense. thanks Svper.

[Svpernova09]

Ellay made this site for boxers who loved boxing and while he fell out of love of boxing long ago he did had some mods step in and they have done a great job. My questions is now that this site is owned by a business for profit, are the mods now compensated? Just curious

Right this second? No. To my knowledge none of the mods are being compensated for being mods. That's not to say that couldn't change at any point in time. We're in a unique point because before, Ellay didn't have the cash to support paid moderators. I did this because I wanted to do it FOR the community. If Lax wants to pay moderators, by all means. The important thing to remember here is the site is no longer being run by someone who has no long term, vested interest in multiboxing. Ellay did it for the community, Lax is doing it for the community as well. The main difference here is now there is an actual multiboxing product behind the site. Make no mistake, there was a product before, it was Ellay's wallet. I don't mean that negatively towards Ellay at all. I consider Ellay a friend and we've had multiple occasions to do business outside of dual-boxing.com He was promoting and using advertising on a relevant site to sustain that site and pad his income. People do that every single day.

I guess I am a little disappointed we never got this thread from ellay. He built a community for boxers to have a place to call home. Sure he of course didnt have to build the site in the first place and maybe feels like he doenst owe anybody anything. I dont know I just feel kinda meh about it. I hope ellay enjoys the cash lax paid for the site. I just feel like he took the money and ran, off the back of the community he greatly helped build while having someone else take any heat that might come from it.

Ellay is still an admin here. I'm sure he's not going to stop viewing the site. Ellay built this site because he wanted a place like this to come lurk. He's gonna keep lurking. Don't think of this as Ellay cashing a huge amount of chips in and bolting for the door. Think of this as Ellay being compensated for his investment and passing the site on to someone who has the funds and motivation to do more with it.

If it wasn't Lax, it would have been me. But even I don't have the weight to put behind the site that Lax does.

[Oatboat]

You guys need to quit fearing Change.

Keyclone and any legitimate software will still be discussed. I use ISB and Keyclone, both have their uses and it would be a shame to lose any future help on this site because we get a little offended over the internet.

[Apps]

Bah! I refuse to talk about this until shit changes aroun... oh wait.

(wink Svper)

[Shodokan]

I have wanted to make a post about the community for a few days now, but i really am not going to go into things much.

First off I'd like to say congrats LAX. You've been extremely active and helpful to everyone.

Second off I'd just like to say this is the most active thread on the forums in a decent amount of time... and that the only sense of community you get is if you become a regular in IRC with everyone else who is a "regular." But even then a majority of those people do not post a lot.

Is it just that there is very little to say? Not wanting to share information? Not enough boxers that care about talking to others that are socially inept enough to even use this place as it is meant to be used?

Rob talks about the sense of community...and from my perspective there is almost none. Just because there is a message board to house us does not mean we are a real community.

There are times i will log in and see 1-2 new posts... if that. Then there will not be another for like 6 hours. I know people have lives and stuff... but from a community perspective it just hasn't been the same since WoTLK ended.

[Tonuss]

Bah! I refuse to talk about this until shit changes aroun... oh wait.

(wink Svper)

Heh.

As for community, that's one of those organic things that has to develop naturally. It can't be forced, and it can't be built upon demands and wishes. There are approximately elevanty bajillion communities on the web (give or take a dozen). Some are large and active, some are tiny and dead. This community is somewhere in between. All in all, that isn't so bad.

[Bigfish]

Some of us have gone on to other games. Not really much fun seeing everyone talk about WoW when I'm playing FFXI, nor is it really worth posting a 0-reply topic for a game not many others play. Which is kind of odd given the number of boxers in FFXI.

Part of it is also that in growing so big, it's much easier to get boxing info. I recall the heyday being when people were trying to figure things out. Well, things have been figured, what now?

Not a whole lot of new stuff coming out at the moment, though in the future, maybe. I know RIFT was pretty unfriendly as far as boxing goes, and the wow dev staff is trying to avoid the whole binding a rotation to one button thing.

[Shodokan]

Heh.

As for community, that's one of those organic things that has to develop naturally. It can't be forced, and it can't be built upon demands and wishes. There are approximately elevanty bajillion communities on the web (give or take a dozen). Some are large and active, some are tiny and dead. This community is somewhere in between. All in all, that isn't so bad.

You are right in that respect, but I think you give the activity here a bit too much credit to be put above tiny and dead. =P (activity wise)

Theres just far too many lurkers.

[Igg]

Well thing is, once everyone gets their setup up and running, there's little cause to come here to have a "community" when wow provides one in game who's far more engaging.

[Alemi]

Well thing is, once everyone gets their setup up and running, there's little cause to come here to have a "community" when wow provides one in game who's far more engaging.

^ This. Long gone are the days when we had to try to form a community across multiple realms to post on while we ran to a battlemaster in Shattrath to queue and we'd alt-tab to these forums to talk with each other or gang up on the official forums multiboxing threads that cropped up as the influx of new boxers rose. We'd PM back and forth about strategies, etc. Heck, I still have old pm's from the start of wrath on how I multiboxed Occulus back in the day.

Now, I have boxing friends RealID'd on other servers, and there are 3 other boxers on Coilfang now (which, admittedly, Coilfang has always been a wierd realm in that we had 3 during BC - and that we didn't organize or know each other until after the fact).

And to echo what's been said before, there's little theorycrafting and fun discussions going on anymore, as a lot has been already hashed out. What I see are a majority of topics on two ends of the spectrum - the typical "How do i get my characters to follow" posts by newbies who can't use the search function (for this, I greatly miss Fursphere to nip these in the bud) or the opposite end of pure e-peen stroking and general douchebaggery I'd expect from the battle.net forums.

Editting: not saying that the community is bad, just that it's changed and a lot of the "old timers" have/are moving on and a new batch is coming in. Hell, I think a bunch of the old timers who still post aren't even boxing a majority of the time?

Change is always good.