You're probably right that it's a scaling difference. 5 vs 10 does change some dynamics.
You have got me thinking though. I'd always assumed that spamming tyranny without full decays just wasn't very effective. Cab though is one of the few cleric specs I haven't played to a high level one-boxing so maybe my impression is wrong. I'll play with it a bit, just have to figure out what I could stand losing in Inq.
With 10 Cabalists, I'm pretty sure you could win Port Scion with nothing but tyranny and DoL spam.Originally Posted by jca
Your first goals with a Cleric group should be 6 points in Justicar, since salvation does next to nothing at low levels and you have no other worthwhile heals with this spec. Next, aim for 11 in Inquisitor for aggressive renewal. I'd just keep going into inquisitor after this, picking up soul drain and the passive improvements to vex helps a more than anything else at low levels.
As for mana, the wisdom buff would help your DPS more than anything. Justicars have zero issues maintaining full mana between commitment and purpose. And, yes, 51 points into Justicar is basically a requirement for a serious tanking build. The increase in armor is huge.
Also, I'd go for as many passive buffs as possible rather than the CC options. You won't use them, especially at lower levels. You run in spamming vex on everything you can find, then hit soul drain and everything is dead. I can see an argument for removing life and death concord if you don't want to manage the procs, I'd put those points into determination and more passive buffs from Cabalist (particularly, the +3 radius on AoE's).
I'm probably going to go back to 11 points into Justicar over Warden, too. I'll miss the 10% buff to instants and the ease of running healing flood but, as jca said, the fact that DoL hits 10 targets is pretty hard to beat.
Last edited by Apatheist : 09-23-2011 at 09:05 AM
I hadn't bothered with this particular passive buff (the additional radius on AE damage spells). With the primary AE damage from this spec being chain damage (Obliterate/Decays, Soul Drain and Bound Fate) vs. traditional AE damage (Circle of Oblivion is only one I can think of), I didn't think that it would be that great of a buff.
Anybody know for sure if the +radius passive buff helps out on the chained AE abilities?
As shown in the spec progression links I posted, that's exactly what I'm doing - first going for 6 Justicar, then going for Inquisitor Aggressive Renewal. However, after that I'd like to reach spam status on Tyranny asap.
Your final spec you posted is very hard to argue against, and I'm switching to that too for level 50.I just regret not having the "Dark Harbor" buff - since it stacks with the Shaman resistance buff it could be pretty uber.
After talking to people on my server, I think I'll keep the tank role at 40 Justicar for now and see what heppens. The cleric tanks there say it would be a great spec and that they love the Shaman "Jolt" spell for Justicar tanking.
Note that I didn't mean that the Shaman wisdom buff would be to primarily boost the tank - it's meant for the whole group since everyone is Wisdom-based. Basically a 5x factor on that one.
I'm now looking at this progression:
Level 10: 7 Inquisitor, 0 Cabalist, 6 Justicar: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=10rod.V0z..g
Level 20: 14 Inquisitor, 6 Cabalist, 6 Justicar: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=10rod.V0z.V0z.Eoob
Level 30: 14 Inquisitor, 20 Cabalist, 6 Justicar: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=10rod.V0z.V0VVx.Eoob
Level 40: 22 Inquisitor, 20 Cabalist, 11 Justicar: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=10....V0VVx.Exobboo
Level 50: 35 Inquisitor, 20 Cabalist, 11 Justicar: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=10...V0VVx.Exobxxoq
Based on what you've said, I'm thinking of this spec for levelling 5x clerics:
Level 10: 3 Inquisitor, 4 Cabalist, 6 Justicar: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=10rod.Vz.m.h
Level 20: 11 Inquisitor, 9 Cabalist, 6 Justicar: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=10rod.Vz.Vzc.E0o
Level 30: 11 Inquisitor, 21 Cabalist, 8 Justicar: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=10rod.Vd.VzVVx.E0o
Level 40: 21 Inquisitor, 21 Cabalist, 11 Justicar: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=10....VzVVx.ExobM0o
Level 50: 33 Inquisitor, 21 Cabalist, 12 Justicar: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=10...VzVVx.ExobMxkq
Modifications to Apatheist's spec is:
- Swapped out Warden for Justicar.
- Added Cabalist "Dark Harbor" buff.
- Removed Inquisitor "Life and Death Concord" because I don't want to manage random instas on all characters.
- Added Inquisitor "Clinging Spirit".
- Added Inquisitor "Determination" and "Bewilder" for more CC.
This is the Justicar tank spec I'm thinking of for dungeons:
Level 50 Tank: 38 Justicar, 20 Shaman, 8 Inquisitor: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=10...sdoo.VedzzM.Vh
It has 20 points in Shaman for the Wisdom buff, which seems nice for an all-Cleric team.
Comments?
Last edited by Smedbox : 09-22-2011 at 09:47 PM
been running my cleric tank in couple of experts and think with that many points in shaman you will end up being to soft. mien of leadership gives you 1% of armor for every point in justicar. i'm running 51 justicar 8 shaman 6 inquisitor. by having 51 points over 38 gives you. 14% more armor. and found i went oom with out commitment. but the great thing with rift is you can make a spec that works for what you want. just wanted to share what i had found out
Good point, I didn't realize the boost in armor Mien of Leadership gave. With the shaman build I was thinking of improving spell power instead to increase damage (+passive healing), dodge, block and parry - as well as increasing DPS and Healing from the other clerics in the party...
Regarding mana, I'm hoping the crit-heavy shaman build would give about the same mana regen with "Endless Winter', but I may be wrong about that?
not sure on the mana. but one way to find out. try it worst would be have to respec to some thing else
I'm trying to do as much of the planning ahead of time - I'm going to do the 24-hour Extra Life event and I don't want to spend too much time respeccing and testing during the event...
But I could certainly remove two points from Inquisitor and move them to Justicar. I could get 3 pts in Commitment and 40 pts total.
Good points. Do you find you're using Vex at all?
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