Wondering why shammies DPS is so damn low

[Bollwerk]

Ele shaman dps is among the top right now, bar a couple of fights with low hp add phases.

I dunno WTF I'm doing wrong then in raids. I'm barely out-DPSing the tanks in 25 man raids. I've already spent hours perfecting my spell rotations and macro settings on dummies, but in Firelands, my DPS BLOWS.

[zenga]

I dunno WTF I'm doing wrong then in raids. I'm barely out-DPSing the tanks in 25 man raids. I've already spent hours perfecting my spell rotations and macro settings on dummies, but in Firelands, my DPS BLOWS.

You must be doing something seriously wrong then, in your rotation, gearwise or with stat priority. On tank/spankt fights like baleroc and shannox hc I can easily go over 30k (that is even without keeping flame shock up on dogs for cheating the meters). On most fights I'm #1 or #2, except the gimmic fights like the bird boss and the legs dude. Even on ragnaros 25k+ is pretty doable.

Our other elemental shaman was in T11 4-6k behind me on several fights, and she often is among top 5 now in our 25m raids.

Ele shaman is in one of the best conditions it ever was in pve.

[Pallarfo]

With all the hints, tips and corrections posted above, I've been able to down more heroics.
Only grim batol last boss and deadmines (haven;t tried yet) are to be downed.
Zul Gurub i'm pulling between 18k and 22k, only last boss left to be killed.
The big guys in FL are going down most of the time too when I 5box it.
My trust in ele shamans has returned.

[Lyonheart]

With all the hints, tips and corrections posted above, I've been able to down more heroics.
Only grim batol last boss and deadmines (haven;t tried yet) are to be downed.
Zul Gurub i'm pulling between 18k and 22k, only last boss left to be killed.
The big guys in FL are going down most of the time too when I 5box it.
My trust in ele shamans has returned.

Thats good news!

[Ñightsham]

I use the addon "reforgenator" to help reforge particular items.
....anyone else had any experience with this addon?

NS

[Bollwerk]

You must be doing something seriously wrong then, in your rotation, gearwise or with stat priority. On tank/spankt fights like baleroc and shannox hc I can easily go over 30k (that is even without keeping flame shock up on dogs for cheating the meters). On most fights I'm #1 or #2, except the gimmic fights like the bird boss and the legs dude. Even on ragnaros 25k+ is pretty doable.

Our other elemental shaman was in T11 4-6k behind me on several fights, and she often is among top 5 now in our 25m raids.

Ele shaman is in one of the best conditions it ever was in pve.

If you're inclined to take a look, here is our WoL log from last night's kill of Shannox - http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=3863&e=4305
I didn't do quite as bad as I'd thought. I was #11. It bugs me though that an Enhance shaman in worse gear did more dps by a decent margin.

My gear is still mostly ilvl 359, with 4 ilvl 378 items. I reforge crit into mastery and gem for int, int/mastery and int/spirit.

Enchants are usually int when possible, then mastery or haste.
Armory - Note that I logged out in pvp gear, but I'll take any advice on talents and glyphs (primary is my pve talent set, secondary is for pvp)

My rotation priority is standard, as far as I know. FS >> LvB >> CL/LB (depending on fight) >> ES at 8/9 stacks.

The only thing I can think of that I need to work on is making sure my Fire Elemental is up when possible. I tend to forget about it a lot.

[Alemi]

If you're inclined to take a look, here is our WoL log from last night's kill of Shannox - http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=3863&e=4305
I didn't do quite as bad as I'd thought. I was #11. It bugs me though that an Enhance shaman in worse gear did more dps by a decent margin.

My gear is still mostly ilvl 359, with 4 ilvl 378 items. I reforge crit into mastery and gem for int, int/mastery and int/spirit.

Enchants are usually int when possible, then mastery or haste.
Armory - Note that I logged out in pvp gear, but I'll take any advice on talents and glyphs (primary is my pve talent set, secondary is for pvp)

My rotation priority is standard, as far as I know. FS >> LvB >> CL/LB (depending on fight) >> ES at 8/9 stacks.

The only thing I can think of that I need to work on is making sure my Fire Elemental is up when possible. I tend to forget about it a lot.

Couple of quick things -

4 Lava Burst non-crits? Which leads to your Clearcasting uptime, which is 55%... that means you're dealing 10% less damage 45% of the time. Looking at totemic wrath (and the time at which Demonic Pact was in place of it), I'm assuming you didn't have a fire totem up, at all, during 40% of the fight?

Again, just a cursory look - and world of logs can interpret things weirdly).

[zenga]

If you're inclined to take a look, here is our WoL log from last night's kill of Shannox - http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=3863&e=4305
I didn't do quite as bad as I'd thought. I was #11. It bugs me though that an Enhance shaman in worse gear did more dps by a decent margin.

My gear is still mostly ilvl 359, with 4 ilvl 378 items. I reforge crit into mastery and gem for int, int/mastery and int/spirit.

Enchants are usually int when possible, then mastery or haste.
Armory - Note that I logged out in pvp gear, but I'll take any advice on talents and glyphs (primary is my pve talent set, secondary is for pvp)

My rotation priority is standard, as far as I know. FS >> LvB >> CL/LB (depending on fight) >> ES at 8/9 stacks.

The only thing I can think of that I need to work on is making sure my Fire Elemental is up when possible. I tend to forget about it a lot.

Hey man,

1) You miss 2 very important glyphs:

Glyph of Unleashed lightning (prime)

This one basically allows you to keep casting whenever you have to move. Even on fights where you never have to move it has its value since you don't have to interrupt a cast to move out. It's an amazing glyph, and contrary to the previous tier where you had to cast shit while moving just to cast something, this simplifies the rotation a lot.

You want flame shock, unleashed lightning and lightning bolt glyph. Once you have 4 pieces of T12, you should swap out the lightning bolt for the lava burst glyph, though both are really close.

Glyph of Lightning shield (major)

This glyph basically prevents you from dropping below 3 lightning shield stacks. See it like this: you start the fight with 3, some aoe damage resets you to 0 w/o the glyph, with the glyph you stay at 3. You gain 4 orbs, without the glyph you are still at 4 stacks, with the glyph you are at 7 now and ready to cast fulmination after which you drop back to 3 (and without the glyph you'd be still at 4! ). This glyph is absolutely mandatory for an elemental shaman in pve.

2) From your log: I compared yours with our latest kill, which is on heroic though. Your kill took 7m22s, ours 5m42. In this time frame you cast 64 lightning bolts, whereas I cast 114 while our fight lasted 100s less. The glyph of unleashed lightning makes a huge difference here.

You missed 4 lava burst crits + 2 overloads, Those 4 casts alone account for 300 less dps over the entire fight. But it also means that your flame shock wasn't on the target ... and flame shock is an elemental highest damage per execute spell. (same is true for your lord ryolith log btw). I couldn't play without an addon that keeps track of my flame shock on the target. I use chronobars and have a bar timer that basically shows how long my FS is up on the target. But there are plenty of addons that can do the same (dotimer, quartz, etc).

There is no need to cast chain lightning on shannox fight. Unless you would use a strategy where you tank the dog + boss on top of eachother. Your average chain lightning hit is 13.5k, your average lightning bolt hit is 15.6k ... Never ever use chain lightning on a single target encounter.

There is no need to use unleash elements since we have the unleashed lightning glyph. It's a dps loss in every single case.

And now the shocking number: your fight was 100 seconds longer than mine, yet my fire elemental did 1.565.000 total damage (5k dps over then entire fight), yours did 500k or 1100 effective dps, but 4.2k for the time it was up (compared to 2k with searing totem). In other words, you'd gain 3k dps from just managing your fire elemental the way you 'should'. This assuming you have 2x T12 by now since the bonus is insane (if not after nearly 2 months you are a lazy punk ).

3) As for trinkets, you should really pick up dmc volcano if you haven't yet. This is still the best trinket for heroic firelands raids. And it's awesome with our fire elemental. I use tiny caster stats, which displays my spellpower in my UI, every time it's high (cause of trinket proc, power torrent, etc) I know it's a good time to cast/renew my fire elemental.

4) Can't stress the importance of tools like power auras, ... to track procs, cooldowns, buffs, etc. Over the course of a few weeks using it you'll develop like a second nature to manage procs and cooldowns much better.

As for your rotation, you should already cast fulmination at 7 stacks rather than delaying tiil 8/9 (as you'll waste more due to 'unexpected' overload procs).

[zenga]

Couple of quick things -

4 Lava Burst non-crits? Which leads to your Clearcasting uptime, which is 55%... that means you're dealing 10% less damage 45% of the time..

So how exactly are you supposed to keep clearcasting up then? On our last shannox hc kill (for which I got ranked #90 on worldoflogs) I got 58% clearcasting uptime over the course of the fight. If you check some of the absolute top parses you see comparable numbers (50%-ish). The only influence you have on keeping clearcasting up is by means of lava burst. Which is on an 8s cd, and can be reset by lava surge procs which are totally random. You have zero influence on crits whatsoever beyond lava burst, not to mention that crit is ele's worst stat. Playing to keep clearcasting up would be pretty dumb tbh as you would have to deliberately postpone our hardest hitting spell (lava burst) just to keep the proc going and favor lightning bolt. Obviously all lava bursts should crit, but the 4 he missed won't influence his clearcasting uptime a lot.

[Alemi]

So how exactly are you supposed to keep clearcasting up then? On our last shannox hc kill (for which I got ranked #90 on worldoflogs) I got 58% clearcasting uptime over the course of the fight. If you check some of the absolute top parses you see comparable numbers (50%-ish). The only influence you have on keeping clearcasting up is by means of lava burst. Which is on an 8s cd, and can be reset by lava surge procs which are totally random. You have zero influence on crits whatsoever beyond lava burst, not to mention that crit is ele's worst stat. Playing to keep clearcasting up would be pretty dumb tbh as you would have to deliberately postpone our hardest hitting spell (lava burst) just to keep the proc going and favor lightning bolt. Obviously all lava bursts should crit, but the 4 he missed won't influence his clearcasting uptime a lot.

I wasn't implying to manage clearcasting. I was pointing out the non-crit lava burst crits, and relaying that to clearcasting.

Way to read too much into it.