After 1 week. My thoughts on dual to quad DK pvp

[Koralon]

Against melee cleaves you can do very well, especially vs other melee cleaves with dks... our defensive cooldowns are barely any help for reducing damage done, i mean i've been killed through pain suppression so many times in the past week it is not even funny by bullshit like mage/spriest/ele shaman/hunter/hpally

You lost to a 1 healer team? How? Should have silenced pally killed ele sham in 2 seconds flat. The only team without 2 healers that I lost to so far was a was a 5 hunter team in which my IWT on my slave dks wasnt working some how lol fail.

But yeah I think 2200 should be quite easy I'm 23-12 including the 3 games i was lagging in on tuesday with my brothers priest who hit 85 a week ago so like half the games we played he had half questing gear and still has some lol, an I know we haven't just gotten lucky getting easy teams because I often see our opponents with 2200 set gear.

I'm using the 359 2h weapons currently wasn't active enough to try for the 2200 ones last season but I'll have to check out the dual wield before i decide which new season weapon to buy, now that everyone is saying its more damage.

BTW: what runeforging are you guys using on your 2 weapons? Razorice and fallen crusader?

[Shodokan]

You lost to a 1 healer team? How? Should have silenced pally killed ele sham in 2 seconds flat. The only team without 2 healers that I lost to so far was a was a 5 hunter team in which my IWT on my slave dks wasnt working some how lol fail.

But yeah I think 2200 should be quite easy I'm 23-12 including the 3 games i was lagging in on tuesday with my brothers priest who hit 85 a week ago so like half the games we played he had half questing gear and still has some lol, an I know we haven't just gotten lucky getting easy teams because I often see our opponents with 2200 set gear.

I'm using the 359 2h weapons currently wasn't active enough to try for the 2200 ones last season but I'll have to check out the dual wield before i decide which new season weapon to buy, now that everyone is saying its more damage.

BTW: what runeforging are you guys using on your 2 weapons? Razorice and fallen crusader?

Simple....

They were 2500 mmr.... their strat was... CC the fuck out of my healer + one of my dks, kite me through RoF, aura mastery after first silence... and burst me down in less than 3 seconds.

I played them 3 times, only beat them once and that was when their paladin fucked up his bubble + aura mastery to keep the shaman up. If i went on the shammy or priest the other did spot heals on one another, meanwhile i was getting controlled by mage + healer is CC'd so i can't get out of mage control. Scatter shot + silencing shot+ RoF + spriest and mage burst is RETARDED. They have a bunch of silences and many ways to CC, kite me and root me in place. They were all in 2200 gear as well. A coordinated team with a mage that can CC your healer will beat you hands down every time if their mage has half a brain + the other people do their job well enough.

Any high burst high control team is going to just poop on you since your main defenses vs them are on a 45 second cooldown and only for like 6 seconds.

FC/RI FC main hand.


I'm NOT giving up on this team though.

[Koralon]

They were 2500 mmr.... their strat was... CC the fuck out of my healer + one of my dks, kite me through RoF, aura mastery after first silence... and burst me down in less than 3 seconds.

Yeah i guess if the paladin is fast like that with the BoP it would suck. Almost all 1 healer teams have been with paladins for me, I would go on him for about 2 seconds just to scare the shit out of him, then switch to the dps with the least amount of cds, mostly ele shamans or melee dps, then the paladin is busy healing himself and not focused enough to get the BoP off in time or spam heals on that dps, and I can get from the healer to the dps that I'm killing SO FAST with darkflight + unholy Pres, its almost an instant switch most times, 2 seconds on pally ~1 second to get to the dps 2 seconds to kill that dps while the pally is at like 30% hp scrambling.

Edit: sometimes i would even kill the paladin not even trying to lol, probably was a bad team tho.

But yeah FROST MAGES are our worst enemies in arenas atm, Double ring of frosts... so lame, I cry a little inside every time the doors open and I see a water elemental.

[Koralon]

Tried Dualwielding with a Obliterate spec, non-oblit spec (howling blast frost strike spam) ........




SUCKS. Don't waste time buying the weapons imo.

[TeamGrizzly]

Swapped 2 DK's to DW specs without annihilation. Removed obliterate from cast bar and changed to Icy Touch glyph. On test dummies, initial burst of the 2 DKs DW is consistently higher than the 2 DKs using 2H.

With nerves of cold steel, my hit is now over 8%. Should be able to do even better after restat to strength or resilence.

[Koralon]

Swapped 2 DK's to DW specs without annihilation. Removed obliterate from cast bar and changed to Icy Touch glyph. On test dummies, initial burst of the 2 DKs DW is consistently higher than the 2 DKs using 2H.

With nerves of cold steel, my hit is now over 8%. Should be able to do even better after restat to strength or resilence.

Sadly Dummies are different than Players, I noticed a significant loss of burst in pvp, i usually kill things in 2 seconds, with DW it was taking forever 5-10 seconds, tried 3 different dualwield specs... all failed miserably when I queued up for WSG, even with razorice stacked to full from all DKs it was still taking longer to kill ppl...

On Dummies you're just sitting there meleeing away, which almost never happens in PVP.

EDIT: Here is why 2h is better for multiboxing pvp... Even with us spamming IWT we still face away from the opponent quite often, while dual-wielding you could miss out on/delay 2 swings for a decent amount of time which gimps dual-wields dps. Where as when using a 2hander your swing timer is a lot longer, and hardly miss out on any white hits.

Stick with 2handers if you're pvping.

[Mercbeast]

Sadly Dummies are different than Players, I noticed a significant loss of burst in pvp, i usually kill things in 2 seconds, with DW it was taking forever 5-10 seconds, tried 3 different dualwield specs... all failed miserably when I queued up for WSG, even with razorice stacked to full from all DKs it was still taking longer to kill ppl...

On Dummies you're just sitting there meleeing away, which almost never happens in PVP.

EDIT: Here is why 2h is better for multiboxing pvp... Even with us spamming IWT we still face away from the opponent quite often, while dual-wielding you could miss out on/delay 2 swings for a decent amount of time which gimps dual-wields dps. Where as when using a 2hander your swing timer is a lot longer, and hardly miss out on any white hits.

Stick with 2handers if you're pvping.

Exception to this IMO is if you can roll with Khaz trinkets. Then 30-40k frost strikes make everything moot!

[Shodokan]

Tried Dualwielding with a Obliterate spec, non-oblit spec (howling blast frost strike spam) ........




SUCKS. Don't waste time buying the weapons imo.

Everything minus melee swings hit harder (necrotic excluded) with t1 DW vs t2 2H. It is NOT worse especially with the amount of extra crit frost strikes you get and the increased damage of howling blast (i have 15 mastery, opposed to 12.23)

Considering the priority i use is HB > FS > NS > FS it helps A LOT for damage.

I'm considering going human.

[Toned]

Everything minus melee swings hit harder (necrotic excluded) with t1 DW vs t2 2H. It is NOT worse especially with the amount of extra crit frost strikes you get and the increased damage of howling blast (i have 15 mastery, opposed to 12.23)

Considering the priority i use is HB > FS > NS > FS it helps A LOT for damage.

I'm considering going human.

I'm experimenting with a priority of FS > HB > NS... Frost strikes hit like a fucking truck.

I also would love to go Human ><

[Fat Tire]

Gotta love blizzard-

Now arena max conquest cap is now 10% lower than RBG cap as such a 2400 rbg player will get 3000 cap while a 3000 rated arena player will only get 2700.

ymmv Its not a huge deal but I have a feeling if this doesnt force more players into rbgs that more "draconian" measures will be used.