Season 10 honor gear ...

[Yahtzee]

I know this sucks, and I as well grinded out a ton of honor over the weekend. Got all 5 toons full S9 + weps in preps for S10. I even had about 2500honor before I stoppled last night, I was trying to cap out at 4k.

One way to look at it -- you are just out 4k honor. If they didn't keep. You still need the grind the honor out in the next few weeks before you can buy the S10 weps anyways.

On the bright side, with the S9 gear, I think I went 8-4 in arenas tonight. Much better than the last 2 weeks when I was in blues.

But yes, Bliz should have given a better heads up in the 4.2 patch notes, I mean, WTF.

I'm not really mad that I lost my 4K saved up honor. I'm more irked that we weren't informed so I wasted my time last week to grind out gear on two of my teams. Not only that, because like everyone else, I assumed this would be the final version of the honor gear, it only made sense, so I went ahead and spent ~20k gold on gemming/enchanting/reforging. It really wasn't okay to pull this over on their playerbase. They bait and switched us and it's not okay to say "Sorry, we'll let you know next time" and leave it at that.

I firmly believe that if they don't do something, anything even, to remedy this, they'll lose a large chunk of subscribers, at least from the PvP community. They're already in some pretty hot water for several Season 9 shenanigans, including MMR exploiting.

I'm curious to see what their final word will be on this, and whether they'll take any action.

[daanji]

I actually didn't do any BGs this weekend as I was level my mage team. Got them from level 59 to 73, not bad.

I thought I would regret not taking part in AV - it was very tempting and my entire guild was having fun and begging me to go!

However, I was damn determined to level my mage ASAP. Then Blizzard does this and I'm stunned.

I'm sitting on 4K honor and 4K JP, so I can upgrade a lot of my gear.


@Acid,

I ran into your team tonight. This is my team
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/arena/fi.../Death%20Wave/

Were you playing all 5?

[Acidburning]

@Acid,

I ran into your team tonight. This is my team
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/arena/fi.../Death%20Wave/

Were you playing all 5?

OMG, I was wondering if that boxer was going to be on DB.

Yars, I am all 5. I did terrible against you. Up until that point I was 6-0, I was getting a lil' excited about getting the 10-0 hot streak, lol.

When I saw 4DKS 1Pally pop up on Gladius, I didn't even know what to do to counter.

haha, it must have sucked for other people, 2+ boxers queing up last night, same comp. haha

[Fat Tire]

[daanji]

OMG, I was wondering if that boxer was going to be on DB.

Yars, I am all 5. I did terrible against you. Up until that point I was 6-0, I was getting a lil' excited about getting the 10-0 hot streak, lol.

When I saw 4DKS 1Pally pop up on Gladius, I didn't even know what to do to counter.

haha, it must have sucked for other people, 2+ boxers queing up last night, same comp. haha

Haha, yeah. I saw 4 DKs + Holy Pally pop on my gladius and told my partner to blow everything or we would lose.

I managed to kill your Paladin right off the bat - got caught in my arcane torrent spam.

I was 8 - 0 after that match, but got a losing streak right after and logged for the night.

This is the second time I've faced another boxer in 5s. The first time is was 4 DKs + Priest in full Vicious and I only had 1/2 Vicious. I lost two toons right off the bat, but managed to pull off a win.

[daviddoran]

It's annoying, and it sucks, but it's not THAT big of a deal. The difference in the new gear is negligible. Granted, if we had known, most of us would have capped out at 4k honor and waited until today to buy their stuff, and a lot of people would have tried to work the system constantly buying back and selling gear to float above the 4k cap. I love AV weekend, so I farmed my gear and had a ton of fun doing it, so I don't feel too bad that my gear is 5 iLvl below what is available today.

I myself plan on upgrading the gear anyway to the season 10 full stuff, as the weekly conquest points pour in. Wow is a game about upgrading gear, always has been, always will be. Get used to it or you might be better off looking at other games.

[Yahtzee]

It's annoying, and it sucks, but it's not THAT big of a deal. The difference in the new gear is negligible. Granted, if we had known, most of us would have capped out at 4k honor and waited until today to buy their stuff, and a lot of people would have tried to work the system constantly buying back and selling gear to float above the 4k cap. I love AV weekend, so I farmed my gear and had a ton of fun doing it, so I don't feel too bad that my gear is 5 iLvl below what is available today.

I myself plan on upgrading the gear anyway to the season 10 full stuff, as the weekly conquest points pour in. Wow is a game about upgrading gear, always has been, always will be. Get used to it or you might be better off looking at other games.

It's not about upgrading gear, it's about upgrading gear and then having to upgrade it again the following week due to lack of communication. It was a fairly important change and should have been detailed in the patch notes.

I'm by no means furious about it, I had fun in battlegrounds the past week too. However, that doesn't really change the slap to the face they just gave to a large chunk of their playerbase.

[Tonuss]

It's annoying, and it sucks, but it's not THAT big of a deal. The difference in the new gear is negligible.

I think that this is true. One person was complaining that it was a 6% difference, and that it was huge. Another person crunched the actual numbers for 12 pieces for (I think) a DPS warrior, and the difference was about the equivalent of... a bracer. An ilevel 316 bracer, to be precise. It was kind of underwhelming, to be honest.

There are a few other things to consider:

1- This last couple of weeks were handled in an awfully sloppy manner by Blizzard. First, they do the conquest/honor conversion a week before they had planned, and lots of players got left hanging. Then they make this recent switch without warning, leaving players feeling as if they wasted their time. It's just a terrible way to manage your game. I don't think that I had ever felt that Blizzard took its players for granted until this past two weeks.

2- I'm not much of a grinder, in that I have my limits and I respect them. I earned enough honor over the weekend to upgrade around eight items, and could have gotten the rest. But there is only so much grinding I can handle, so I stopped. Since it was AV weekend, I was able to get more upgrades for the time spent. But I'm not feeling as bad as others are because I didn't force myself to play past the point where it was no longer fun.

3- Which points to (yet another) problem with how Blizzard handles PVP. In spite of any methods they use to try and slow the progression of gear in PVP, players know that they can grind out full sets in a short time and thus they do so. So when a screw up like this happens, a lot of players feel it. Telling them that it's their own fault doesn't make matters any better. Still...

4- This points to a problem with players, as well. Many players are angry because they insist that their full set of i365 gear is "OBSOLETE." That's because they feel that now, other players will grind out 371 gear and they'll be behind the curve. Well now, two things: one, the difference in gear is small, you're not losing arena games because the other guy had an extra bracer's worth of stats. Two, if Blizzard hadn't done this, you'd have had an edge because you decided to grind out a full set before the other guy did, at which point you'd be telling him to "suck it up."

5- And finally, another reason I'm not too upset with this for my own sake: I don't run arenas, and I have not run RBGs yet (though a guildie is looking to start a group for that this week). So this change doesn't hurt me much. And frankly, I would guess that more than 75% of the people crying on the WOW forums aren't doing arenas or RBGs either. I checked the profiles of some of the people complaining, and they had zero RBG rating and no arena teams. So they're pissed that their vanity gear says "365" instead of "371." Because it's not going to make a difference when you run normal BGs and daily quests, which is what they'll be doing with their epic PVP set.

So to summarize: Blizzard royally fucked players over the past two weeks. Lots of players have a legit beef over this. Lots of other players are complaining because that's what they always do, but this change won't make any difference to them.

[zenga]

It's annoying, and it sucks, but it's not THAT big of a deal. The difference in the new gear is negligible

I think that this is true. One person was complaining that it was a 6% difference, and that it was huge. Another person crunched the actual numbers for 12 pieces for (I think) a DPS warrior, and the difference was about the equivalent of... a bracer. An ilevel 316 bracer, to be precise. It was kind of underwhelming, to be honest.

Just did the math for my ele shaman who was full vicious. Used wowhead -> compare items and compared 365 piece with it's 'new' 371 counterpart. Did Total Sum with and without weapons.



Reality is that when you play with the 371 gear that you play with an extra 'bracer' as you described, or any extra item slot. Minimizing that difference means that you also minimize the difference between tier 1 and 2200 weapons in a season,

The difference between 365 vs 371 gear is bigger than the difference in previous season between 359 and 372 (2200) weapons. And generally those weapons are considered as 'making a huge difference'.

I find the difference quite huge myself, and definitely worth farming before jumping in arena. If you compare a player with and without the 371 gear, it's not only the increased damage, but also increased health pool and opponent healer who have to heal more. It's like increasing your pay check and decreasing the rent at the same time.

[Atrocious]

Crap... Guess I gotta figure out which BG is on for this weekend and farm again.