Vyndree, thought you'd love this :D

[Ðeceased]

This is why I roll full on hardware. Sure, Blizzard is accepting "software" solutions to multiboxing right now, but it would be really easy for them to change that decesion. Especailly will all the QQers on the forum.

Hmm I don't see why they would really, the only thing that would cause is to make it even more of a "rich" persons hobby. making all the QQers QQ even more :P just out of curiosity could you potentially have a keyboard simulate having 5 inputs into one PC? (through hardware not software) and each linked to one wow window.. would be a cheap way of not buying another 4 pcs :P

at first I was a little vary of using keyclone as I did think of it as 3rd party software.. but then again, comparing it to using multiple pcs or some other hardware input it is essentially the same, so if one goes they all go? not 100% on this but seems logical to me

PS: could i recommend the "report" button be moved a little further from the "quote" one? or am I the only one with flailing fingers?

[Vyndree]

I like how they all agree on third party software is against EULA lol. Im using keyclone right now :P

This is why I roll full on hardware. Sure, Blizzard is accepting "software" solutions to multiboxing right now, but it would be really easy for them to change that decesion. Especailly will all the QQers on the forum.

Same here. Plus, I like to shove it down people's throat when they try to claim that all multiboxers use the "keyclone bot". As if saying it's a bot makes it a bot.

Responding with "Keyclone? Never used it" shuts them up pretty quick.

[TMNT]

Yeah that kinda worries me. Iv put some good money into MB'ing on one computer and i REALLY hope i dont get banned lol.

[Ðeceased]

was just thinking worst comes to the worst.. I just need to save some money and grab a few of

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...amily/mac_mini

:P nah they are expensive, so you can easely make some cheaper ones

I was just driving to the shops and thought of a way to explain why it isn't 3rd party software :P

imo if you look at it from a single WoW windows point of view, keyclone doesn't modify any aspect of the input at all. I still recieves an imput from one source and that source is player controlled, thus unmodified.
the doo not pass list can be bypassed simply be leaving those you do not wish to be used from the keybindings in WoW, thus there is no feature that gives a keycloner an advantage over any other player..

[Eteocles]

The reason they say that about 3rdparty software is they only read as far as they need to to get ammo. The EULA states "Use of any third-party software (TO AUTOMATE INGAME FUNCTIONS WITHOUT PLAYER INPUT) is illegal." Note the part in parenthesis most of them ignore/leave out. Third Party Software is only illegal if it automates actions without constant input per-action.

Argue "Well listening to the Final Countdown/FF6 Boss Battle Music/insert whatever your WINMUSICLOLZ is here makes me play better, should we ban the ability to run music while playing since it's third-party programs and makes me play better? How about Teamspeak/Vent making raids coordinate better? They're third-party software that gives them an edge both in raids and in battlegrounds vs you pug noobs who couldn't coordinate your way out of a wet paper bag. Hey there's also wowhead/thottbot/wowwiki/bosskillers/any other wow site, which can be opened through OMG THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE CALLED IE/FIREFOX to "cheat" at quests and see the answer without figuring it out yourself!" - That last one in particular will catch ALL of them, anyone who bitches about boxers is a lazy fuck who's never read ONE GODDAMN PIECE OF QUEST TEXT and either "cheats" through thott/wowhead/questmod or asking a billion fucking times in general, "WERE IS MANKRIKS WIFE? WERE IS HOGGER? WERE DO I GO FOR "Return to Town You were just at 3 minutes ago"?! WUTS A VANCLEEF GUYZ? HOW I MINE 4 FISH? and the ever popular lv40 warrior asking HRUR HURR WATS DEF STANCE? I DUN HAVE DAT SKILL D00D!"

Yeah...I hate humanity.

[TMNT]

The reason they say that about 3rdparty software is they only read as far as they need to to get ammo. The EULA states "Use of any third-party software (TO AUTOMATE INGAME FUNCTIONS WITHOUT PLAYER INPUT) is illegal." Note the part in parenthesis most of them ignore/leave out. Third Party Software is only illegal if it automates actions without constant input per-action.

Argue "Well listening to the Final Countdown/FF6 Boss Battle Music/insert whatever your WINMUSICLOLZ is here makes me play better, should we ban the ability to run music while playing since it's third-party programs and makes me play better? How about Teamspeak/Vent making raids coordinate better? They're third-party software that gives them an edge both in raids and in battlegrounds vs you pug noobs who couldn't coordinate your way out of a wet paper bag. Hey there's also wowhead/thottbot/wowwiki/bosskillers/any other wow site, which can be opened through OMG THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE CALLED IE/FIREFOX to "cheat" at quests and see the answer without figuring it out yourself!" - That last one in particular will catch ALL of them, anyone who bitches about boxers is a lazy fuck who's never read ONE GODDAMN PIECE OF QUEST TEXT and either "cheats" through thott/wowhead/questmod or asking a billion fucking times in general, "WERE IS MANKRIKS WIFE? WERE IS HOGGER? WERE DO I GO FOR "Return to Town You were just at 3 minutes ago"?! WUTS A VANCLEEF GUYZ? HOW I MINE 4 FISH? and the ever popular lv40 warrior asking HRUR HURR WATS DEF STANCE? I DUN HAVE DAT SKILL D00D!"

Yeah...I hate humanity.

You should be a lawyer

[Zaelar]

I don't know of any "1 PC Hardware only" solution.

I can play 5 characters on my computer without using any third party. Not my preferred method, but I can work it. I did it with 3 for a long time before finding this site. Just click on the window you want, press hotkey, go to next window, repeat.

[Eteocles]

Hah, thanks...I'd like to thank my ex for helping with the bitter part as well as ALOT of practice arguing like a lawyer(countering with common sense lolz), and 2.4's now thankfully reveresed water nerf. ;p

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Here ya go, Eteocles:

OP said:
Okay, so a bunch of us met our first "multi-boxer" last night in a BG - a guy from Scilla who has 4 or 5 locks linked.

So if I understand this correctly, pressing one button on his keyboard with 20 dots landing on you instantly is somehow not inviolation of the EULA? How interesting that Blizzard would encourage an exploit that necessitates you buying 5 separate accounts. No wonder this is condoned.

...lots of "NO U" and "UR MOM" level posts...

Some level 3 rogue scrub said:
IF people can prove they can play using 5 different comps, using 5 different keyboards and 5 different mice, then go for it, but as long as you are using a 3rd party piece of hardware or software to control multi characters with 1 input its no different than a bot.

...more "NO U" and "UR MOM" posts...

Kurraga from Silvermoon said:
Show me a multi boxer complete a heroic and I'll give you $250

we all know that multi-boxing passes under the radar simply because that's 5 times more income. I care not what any official statement says. It's lame as botting.

Level 3 scrub (Roguetastic; same guy that's been talking out his ass on every other multiboxing thread I've read lately) said:
Sending input to 1 app != sending 1 input to 5 apps.

If your sending 5 inputs to 5 apps thats one thing. But sending 1 input to 5 apps is no different than botting.

Q u o t e:
He's not automating

Yes he is, He's automating 4 different inputs that get triggered by 1 manual input.

QED from Terenas pwn guy above:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mDwawWr2yQ

if you want we can set up a lame auction on ebay and just mail me $250

LOL

Kurraga that made the $250 bet said:
If I haven't clicked on the link, you haven't shown it to me have you? I get to keep $250.

ROFL!

Nother person says:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=welsh

Now that's just damn funny.

Lol, someone got wrecked by Mudd.

Ald from The Scryers:
Wrong. Warlocks can somehow drop 4 dots on you in an instant. It happens to me quite often. There is no delay between the debuffs appearing on me; they all appear at once. Maybe one of these days I'll roll a warlock and try to figure out how it's done.

are these forums only composed of people who just 'make stuff up' or what?

its not 4 DOTs at once...it is you not paying attention to the GCD.

Ald, the scrub from The Scryers says:
How does my attention to GCD affect how a lock can throw 4 dots on me at once? The 4 debuffs do not appear one second apart each. They all 4 appear on my screen at once. That tends to be my warning that a lock has spotted me. I have asked about this in the forums before, since I thought GCD should apply, but many responses told me it is certainly possible for a lock to do this.

Dude... /wrists

Another person replied to Kurraga's bet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rd8C5bQSZ8


Rocco, Moose - help the judge find his wallet.

Q u o t e:
I had a multi-boxer in an AB once, needless to say we lost horribly.

And THAT is the problem. The multi-boxer angers his team, and angers the players he ganks because they have zero chance against him. Basically, no one (except maybe the multi-boxer who is getting honor/marks for 5 chars at once even if he loses) enjoys it. Isn't that exactly the kind of thing that should be removed from the game?

That's all for now. :P

[Eteocles]

rofl @ the ones about the $250 bet..."If I haven't clicked you haven't shown it to me NEENER NEENER BOO BOO" - That is the reaction of the same guy who bitches about boxers. If he reacts to facts and video proof like that, I think it's safe to say he's reacting similarly to boxing; it's a perfectly legit thing, he just sticks his fingers in his ears and goes "LALALALALA I CANT HEAR U LOLZ I WIN NO TAKEBACKS HURR HRR HURR I R SMART LALALALA"

And ty Don, was a good read ;p