Arena points have been nerfed

[Fat Tire]

It's going to be a nightmare to get points on my new team. I did some games and it looks like people are using high rated players to gear alts in the 2's. The new thing is to kill your team rating and carry your buddies alt with your fulling geared toon in 2's. At the end of the match you will see one guys rating really high and the other very low. This new change may have me give up pvp again.

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People have been doing this forever....only difference now is you get to see each persons MMR while before the patch you saw the combined avg. I should know I have done paid carries for the last 5 seasons. Nothing has changed.

[katsurahama]

I can more or less enjoy fifty random BGs but i cant stand even five arenas. Yet another reason not to do them if its going to take many games to get five wins. I hate that youre required to play them at all (if you want weapons).

eSport, indeed.

I did the honor grind in vanilla and enjoyed it. Im not going to do any grinding in wow anymore (other than leveling toons). Everything is obsolete on day one of the latest expansion. I'll get a bunch of toons to 85 and play a bunch of different comps in bgs because i like bgs. When i get honor and i can buy gear, great. If it isnt fun its not worth doing a zillion times to be marginally better geared than someone else.

I wish theyd make honor be honor, period. No matter where you get it instead of trying to force people to do arenas. I fail to see how pillar humping cooldown orgies are more strategic than bgs.

/end rant

[Ualaa]

Really... the best would be no distinction between Battlegrounds and Arena.
No Rated vs Unrated play.
Everything is rated, play the aspect you enjoy the most.

No need to enter a battleground in a 10-man raid.



The whole implementation of rated battlegrounds, pretty much blows.
And this was something that a lot of boxers were really excited about, in the months leading up to Cataclysm.

The rotation between 10-man, 15-man and 25-man sucks.
And now its only 10-man, because you cannot get 15 or 25 players to form a raid for a battleground.

Do away with the need to enter as a raid.
Just assign a rating to each player (MMR) that joins a given BG and go with that.
Then average out the ratings of the two sides, so they're as close as possible, for balance.

Not going to happen, I suppose.
But would be nice.

[Velassra]

eSport lol.

Iknorite, pinnacle of PvP.

[katsurahama]

^^ I completely agree with your post, Ualaa. I was so excited about rated BGs before I resubbed in the Fall. But like you said, now theyre just going to funnel super geared arena players into rated BGs.

Start permanently banning bg AFKers and there can be one honor currency.

PVE to me is 'meh.' I love BGs. I hate arenas. Games should be fun, not work or torture. And PVP should be PVP. I'm not asking for welfare epics I just want to do the PVP i like, not some pillar dancing "esport."

[Ualaa]

I run way too many AV's... although cannot have too many.
Lately, that's all I queue for.
Although took most of the week off, to work on an encounter for my players in Dungeons & Dragons.


This week... Cuddlés with a 2.8k res Surv.Hunter...
8 Wins, 2 Losses, 10 Games... 30 mins or so.
Both of us Conquest capped for the week.

I should try 5's again.
Even if it took 50 games, which I doubt it would.
It wouldn't be any longer than running five sets of toons.

That is assuming the queues aren't retardedly long.
2's is 15-30 seconds.
5's was 3-5 minutes, also during primetime.

[Ualaa]

And then the next DK.... Snugglés..
Took 20 games to get 8 wins (8 wins, 12 losses).
Same S.Priest partner as last week, and we went 5 wins, 0 losses last week.

Started those 20 games immediately after the previous post.
So basically 2 hours, for the 2nd DK...

[Ualaa]

End result...

17:00 server (and local) till 00:00, seven hours...
To get eight wins on each of the four DK's.
That's not even wins on the Pally yet.

Pretty much will either be successful in 5's or will quit arena and just play with Honor Point gear the rest of the way.
The time investment sucks, with the two changes...
a) Needing eight wins instead of five.
b) The larger pool, and players closer to your team's average MMR, which translates into much closer to 50% win (and lose) rate... I needed 71 games to get 32 wins... and the Pally hasn't even done her games yet.

If the player pool is large enough, and the MMR is accurate enough.
It shouldn't be that many more than 16 games played, for 8 wins.
So might go with Five's.



Prior to 4.1, was taking me maybe 2 hours in total.
For five wins, with each of the five toons.

[zenga]

@ ualaa

1. Frost dk's are retardedly over powered at the moment, even with crap gear. It's the perfect time to play arena an get those points. No doubt if blizzard have any clue about the game a nerf is incoming.
2. Patchday = everyone plays arena. People that are too good for there rating (perhaps fotm alt) play a few days and go up. My point being this might be the wrong time to judge if you should continue with arena or not.
3. Why not looking for 1 top arena player who boosts all your toons to the needed amount of vitories. Those guys can easy win a game on their own. Offer him 250g a win. Multiply by amount of toons and wins needed and you get somewhere near 10k / week.

[Toned]

My dk's aren't even that geared and I went 11-4 in 5v5 in under an hour or so (they have like 2800 resil). The most annoying thing is I had 3 queues last night when I hit enter they disappeared and I got an automatic loss.

Frost Dk's are so strong right now. Especially running with a holy priest.