What Meow? Ret / Unholy lolarena

[Fat Tire]

well looking over you screen shots...I have one tip.

Dont make baby jesus cry. Why are you in blood presence in all the screens? That should never happen in pvp, unless you got disarmed,but really no.

and you might want to go frost atm, frost dmg is very nice and its an overall easier rotation. Use freedom for your dk and clease yourself with the pally for novas etc.

[Svpernova09]

well looking over you screen shots...I have one tip.

Dont make baby jesus cry. Why are you in blood presence in all the screens? That should never happen in pvp.

Presence fail. I noticed it in the next BG I did after those 2 matches. I'm normally in Frost for the extra damage. I've tried unholy a bit and didn't see much benefit.

[Fat Tire]

Presence fail. I noticed it in the next BG I did after those 2 matches. I'm normally in Frost for the extra damage. I've tried unholy a bit and didn't see much benefit.

You need DK 101. 1s global > all

There is no comparison, its not even debatable

over the period of a fight and burst wise you are looking at roughly 2x the dmg via cd reduction over a straight +10% dmg.

[Svpernova09]

You need DK 101. 1s global > all

There is no comparison, its not even debatable

over the period of a fight and burst wise you are looking at roughly 2x the dmg via cd reduction over a straight +10% dmg.

I realize it's more damage via cd reduction. I think my issue was in my macros in why I wasn't seeing a difference (which is what was puzzling me and led to my macro rework). I'll have to retest since I cleaned up my macros.

[Ualaa]

Frost basically has two dps sequences now.
- Howling Blast > Frost Strike > Necrotic Strike
- Obliterate > Frost Strike

You might want a key purely for HB or NS, to force one or the other as spam.
And possibly use Death Strike, in he place of Obliterate at times.

I found in two's, I was using Chains of Ice a lot, because of the root.
But in BG's, and I imagine in five's, the HB spam would always be superior... especially with essentially unlimited Death Grips.

You might go:
- DK (Blood Tap > Strangulate... [target=arena1]
- Pally HoJ [target=arena2]
Or something similar?

[Svpernova09]

Frost basically has two dps sequences now.
- Howling Blast > Frost Strike > Necrotic Strike
- Obliterate > Frost Strike

You might want a key purely for HB or NS, to force one or the other as spam.
And possibly use Death Strike, in he place of Obliterate at times.

I found in two's, I was using Chains of Ice a lot, because of the root.
But in BG's, and I imagine in five's, the HB spam would always be superior... especially with essentially unlimited Death Grips.

You might go:
- DK (Blood Tap > Strangulate... [target=arena1]
- Pally HoJ [target=arena2]
Or something similar?

I'm actually running unholy since it's the spec I'm most comfortable in, and PvE wise, it edges out Frost 2H and spanks Frost DW.

[Ualaa]

Fair enough.
No clue on the Unholy rotation.

I just assumed, DK PvP = Frost.
My mistake.

[Fat Tire]

I'm actually running unholy since it's the spec I'm most comfortable in, and PvE wise, it edges out Frost 2H and spanks Frost DW.

Problem is UH is only good if you are spreading aids(dots) with other aids classes. It can work in 2s if you can get all you cc on the healer, if it healer/dps.

UH really only has 1 burst opportunity, if you time it with your ret then you will score a kill.

I have some tips for blowing UH burst for kill.


Step one: I get on a target with my ret and apply both of my diseases via COi/Plague Strike. (Frost/Unholy Rune)

Step two: I Festering Strike once to get my 2 death runes rolling. (Frost/Blood Rune)

Step three: I then necrotic strike once to get the debuff on the target. (Unholy Rune)

At this point i have 1 Blood Rune up and the Frost Rune from the initial COI should be about to refresh.

Step four: I Festering Strike again to get my other 2 death runes rolling. (Frost/Blood Rune)

At this moment you should have 2 Unholy Runes, 4 Death Runes and between 80-100 runic power.

Now that you have everything you need its time to call out for your ret to blow his wings/trinket to burst.

Step six: Strangulate the healer(or if its dps,stop his peels), Death Coil 2 times to dump some Runic Power, (You should have 2-3 second left on the healers strangulate, if you can follow this up with some more cc , like a hoj you should score a kill.) Necrotic strike 2-3 times to be safe if there are hots, now rotate between Scourge Strike and Death Coils to get the kill. NEVER let your runic power reach 130, dont waste runic power.


OR....

You can DC people using Death grip and (frost)chains at the same time - it currently DCs people. ^^

[zenga]

I'm actually running unholy since it's the spec I'm most comfortable in, and PvE wise, it edges out Frost 2H and spanks Frost DW.

While preference, fun & being familiar with are genuine reason, since 4.1 patch your unholy > frost pve statement is debatable to say the least. Parses backing me up, and our frost dk (vanilla hard core raider who knows what he is doing) is pulling 3-5k more on single target bosses.

Frost dk is so faceroll in pvp now that I'd strongly recommend giving it a go in arena.

[Svpernova09]

While preference, fun & being familiar with are genuine reason, since 4.1 patch your unholy > frost pve statement is debatable to say the least. Parses backing me up, and our frost dk (vanilla hard core raider who knows what he is doing) is pulling 3-5k more on single target bosses.

Frost dk is so faceroll in pvp now that I'd strongly recommend giving it a go in arena.

Yep, it would appear the thread I got my original information has been updated to reflect frost's buffs in 4.1 Looks like I'll be learning frost.