How good computer for 10 toons

[coglistings]

Exactly, you have to live by one in order to take advantage of that.
Sounds like you're confusing 1156 with 1155 -- we're talking about two totally different chipsets.

no, you misread, or didn't fully read, you have to live by one to get the i5 for the same price, you can order as many i7 950's as you want online. Please, your quote of my post has that part in it :P


On another note, I just reread the specs on Intel extreme processors and they are on the 1336 sockets and 1336 sockets are not compatable with 1155 or 1156 anyway you read it / force push processor into slot. 1366 and 1336 remain the enthusiast chipset while 1155 and 1156 are considered more entry level, hense no extremem processor for the 1155 nor 1156 socket

So for a test, I took a i7 950 and disabled hyperthreading in the bios and found that most of the time, I was peggin all cores over 60 percent just sitting on a bird in org with five clients. when flying around, follow did not break on the characters, but core utalization pegged out at 100 percent on some cores with descent frequency. when i am in a pvp battle with hyperthreading, I don't get above 60 percent on my box as a refference. the feel also wasn't as fluid as it is with the hyperthreading enabled IMO. I only have 12 gig's on this rig but I will see how well I can push more clients to help the OP's decision

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on another rig although with a i7 930, I was able to run 9 clients with low graphics settings. the ram consumption was not what I expected from Kick's setup, only used about 6.8 GBs, possibly cause it only reserves a certain portion of ram and not a set amount unless below the true mim requirements. anyone who has delt with citrix desktop virtualization of windows desktop application will have seen this result as well as this has been the only other place where I have cared to look. I think I saw this ram consumption result also on another dual xeon test rig that was setup by a friend. anyway, I also did a flight test just running over the population of org and found that there was no follow breaks. turning off hyperthreading resulted in clients breaking follow in the flight test. Of course, I can not be sure how the faster non hyperthreaded processor i5 will deal, but at least we have two systems, one by kicksome and another by myself, that can do what you want. still need someone to do a Proof of Concept for the i5. btw, the 9 client rig was running with a much older graphics card than kick's, a 260 Nvidia.

@OP, hope this helps

thanks for all the fish

[MiRai]

Id would be interested in how long your system stays stable, cause at the bottom line you don't really save money if you while waiting from RMA's :P I am interested in how people still think that running multple concurrent clients is not CPU / system intensive operation. If you were talking about a singular FPS shooter or a regular, non-multiboxer wow player, yes you would be correct that an i5 is the way to go. I tend to believe that most people in the db community are aware that regular tests do not simply scale, but hey, been wrong before and happy to be wrong again, as long as the path is right.

What I and perhaps OP talk would like to hear is how someone with an i5 setup works with first 10 trial accounts, and then maybe with 10 fully lvl'ed accounts if possible.

My system is very stable at 4.5GHz. What's this talk about RMA's? And why do you keep saying i5 when I clearly own an i7
on the 1156 chipset.

no, you misread, or didn't fully read, you have to live by one to get the i5 for the same price, you can order as many i7 950's as you want online. Please, your quote of my post has that part in it :P

I read your post, you retaliated against my Newegg price comparison with a link to Micro Center's in-store price. You can't
order those 950's online from Micro Center... in-store pickup only. So... again, you have to live by one in order to take
advantage of that price.

On another note, I just reread the specs on Intel extreme processors and they are on the 1336 sockets and 1336 sockets are not compatable with 1155 or 1156 anyway you read it / force push processor into slot. 1366 and 1336 remain the enthusiast chipset while 1155 and 1156 are considered more entry level, hense no extremem processor for the 1155 nor 1156 socket.

No one is talking about Extreme Edition Intel processors, only you. My $300 processor is on par with the $1000 980X... look
around the internet at benchmarks. At this point, if you dropped $1000 for a 6 core processor to 10 box World of Warcraft
you're an idiot when people are clearly 10 boxing on old school [and new school] i7's for much less money.

[coglistings]

My system is very stable at 4.5GHz. What's this talk about RMA's? And why do you keep saying i5 when I clearly own an i7
on the 1156 chipset.

I read your post, you retaliated against my Newegg price comparison with a link to Micro Center's in-store price. You can't
order those 950's online from Micro Center... in-store pickup only. So... again, you have to live by one in order to take
advantage of that price.

No one is talking about Extreme Edition Intel processors, only you. My $300 processor is on par with the $1000 980X... look
around the internet at benchmarks. At this point, if you dropped $1000 for a 6 core processor to 10 box World of Warcraft
you're an idiot when people are clearly 10 boxing on old school [and new school] i7's for much less money.

I was reffering to bollwerk, not you, You have no post in this thread discussing your stock / oc'in or what you run. unsure while you are in a bind about this but oh well. Bos already answer my quote on it as well and I think the two of us agree with eachother on stability being the an important concept when OC'in, besides, I think we both got a chuckle over the exchange. Sorry if you missed the ride on that :P I do tend to blaze from one posters comments to anothers commenter's idea presented without specifically mentioning the transition, so I can accept that I have some responsibility for the confussion, but only as long as we can ingame "hug" eachother.

As to the instore pickup on the i7 950, yes you are correct, I did infact misread the add I posted in the forum, but it still remains that the two are near evenly priced to each other, and also from my own tests, hyperthreading may play an important role in a 10 boxing situation where it has been dismissed previously.

On the i7 extreme processor, I only brought it up since it is a reason to stick with the enthusiast chipsets and not go with the 1156, 1155 chipsets. I don't know if you five, ten, twenty box or whatnot, not going to search your posts to find out either. But if an intel extreme processor with the extra 2 cores helps you sucessfully perform 10 boxing with greater creature comforts, like view distance, particle density, etc, and saves you from purchasing an entirely new system, the I would say that it is a smart purchase. I do 10 box, but I preffer to do it on two different computers cause I do not enjoy the ingame experience when it is on one pc with no OC'in involved with any of the three i7 processors I have on hand. I am interested in seeing how an intel extreme processor will handle the load and test, which is why I bring it up. If you are on the 1155 chipset, you can't just pop in an extreme processor, you have to get a different mb as well.

If you or anyone else have personal experience 10 boxing with an extreme processor that you have on hand, then we should get together and run ideas with eachother as I would be interested in your observations. However, if we are just going to go back and forth over speculations, then lets take it to PM's

[MiRai]

unsure while you are in a bind about this but oh well. However, if we are just going to go back and forth over speculations, then lets take it to PM's

No one's in a bind, brah! I'll see you on the battlefield...
now i have to get to level 85

[coglistings]

No one's in a bind, brah! I'll see you on the battlefield...
now i have to get to level 85

I will still hug you ingame, creating lvl 1 alt on your server right now! YOU CAN'T RUN AWAY FROM MY HUGS BRAH!

oh wait, you are on Kiljaeden. Hmmm, though I hate LK, I think I can make an exception to make sure you get your hugs ingame

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well its always been my opinion that WoW is not CPU limited at all.

Of course if you start talking about 10 boxing on a single computer then might want a stonger processor.

I think money should be spent in the following order as follows as far as improving your fps and what not per $1 invested (just talking about wow if you use your computer for other things then priorites might be different) (i.e. a buck spent on more video ram will improve your fps a lot more then $1 spent on better monitor or cpu).

Video Ram
System Ram
Motherboard Chipset (DMA and Buss speeds) / HDD / SDD
Video GPU
CPU
NIC card if on board not good enough
Monitor