Are KeyClones Round Robin keys legal in WoW?

[Narcoz]

As mentioned before I wrote a AutoHotKey-script that can control several WoW sessions on 2 computers on your network.

Now I'm looking into implementing something like KeyClones "Round Robin" functionality into the script. If I understand it right each time you press a key configured as "Round Robin" you tell only 1 of your chars to do an action. Next time you press the same key the next char will do this action. Then it goes around the whole group in the same way.

The advantage is obvious. It might as an example be linked your tauren "Warstomp" ability and by mashing this key you can keep your opponents stunned quite some time.

My only concern about extending my script with this functionality is how this relates to Blizzard and the WoW ToS. Have anyone explicitly asked a GM or blizzard representative about it?

The original argument for using software based "KVM" functionality is that the software does not do anything else than a normal Keyboard splitter (hardware) can do, right?

Does anyone know is the Round Robin functions are supported by KVM switches? Does anyone have a link to a product page of such a switch?

The thing I'm after is to have a strong leg to stand on if I'd ever be in an argument with a GM about the software used.

Enlighten me!

[Notes]

I understand your cencern but why would it be illigal ? It's nothing more then sending a keystroke to only 1 window. How is that any different then having 5 keyboards and pressing 1 button on only 1 of them ? I use it for warstomp, and for purge, aswell as for grounding totums / earthbind totums.

Everything is ok aslong as nothing is automated. And round robin is just a case of sending or not sending a keystroke to certain WoW's..

Good luck with the script part :thumbup:

Ps: spoke a GM last week about account name problems, and he told me multie boxing is very ok aslong as it's not automated, so there you have it

[Narcoz]

How is that any different then having 5 keyboards and pressing 1 button on only 1 of them ?

Well its different because you rely on a function inside your software to keep an list of the chars and to remember which char last got the key-press and which is next etc. If you had to press 5 different keys defined (1 for each char) on 1 keyboard and remember yourself who was last pressed (and is on CD) and who to press next I'd agree with you that its equivalent of using 5 different keyboards, because you still use your own head to keep track of your CD's.

Just came to think of it: It works a bit like the "decursive" addon for WoW. (An addon that automated decursing of team-members by the press of a button (without having to focus them first)). It was a bit of a debate about the legality of decursive a while ago. Does anyone (pala?) know if decursive still works and if its legal?

My reasoning on this is that is decursive is legal then Round Robin-keys should be legal to. Sounds right?

edit: spelling of "decursive"

[Knytestorme]

Decursive, along with several healing mods, were banned when blizzard changed the APi to remove the funcionality that was used by them.

It had nothing to do with any sort of round-robin type workings, it had to do with the fact that they automated gameplay and were essentially min-bot programs created using blizzard supported tools.

What they did was let you press a single key (eg curse, heal) and then using internally programmed logic determine who needed to be healed/cursed, determined priority for who needed to be healed the most, determined appropriate rank of heal/curse to use and terminated casting if a heal/curse landed on their determined character before the cast time was completed. It took all control and thought out of the process and broke the one buttons, one action rule....that is why they got banned, not for any round-robin issues.

[Narcoz]

What they did was let you press a single key (eg curse, heal) and then
using internally programmed logic determine who needed to be
healed/cursed, ...

That is exacly what I'm affraid of with Round Robin. The Software remembers which char has already used up a special ability and thereby determines which char that is next. It allows a user to use special abilities in a long sequence without having to remember which char has their ability on CD (cooldown), just by mashing 1 key mindlessly (as soon as the previous duration of the ability from the last char has timed out).

That is a very big difference between this and to actually have 5 different keys and to have to remember yourself who is on CD and who's not at least imho.

[Notes]

My point was Keyclone just sends a keystroke to 1 window, and only 1 at a time. I'm 100% sure Bliiz wouldn't mind this because they want you to be in control, and you are!
It's the same as going to the store and buying 5 PC's and a manual switch for your keyboard, sending key inputs to each PC manually. Again, Blizz does not see this as automation, because WoW / whatever they use to check you on bot programs, can't tell if the key stroke was send to any other WoW's or not.

See it like this: I have 5 WoWs running, so how's Blizz gonna tell I use KeyClone + Round Robin or I just went with my mouse to a different WoW screen and clicked the button myself.. It's the same so it's perfectly legal ..

[Wilbur]

WoW has a similar feature.

/castsequence Frost Nova , , , ,

/castsequence , Frost Nova , , ,

Geddit?

[Knytestorme]

It is absolutely nothing like it, and if you can't see that then I'd have to think there is more to this comment than your feigned innocence, especially given your opening line of the first post.

There is a huge difference between a player pressing a button to have one character use warstomp, then another character getting the message on a second press, etc (it's no different in that respect than having warstomp mapped to 1 on one char, 2 on another, through to 5 and then pressing 1,2,3,4,5 in order) and pressing one button, having the addon decide for you which character is most in need of healing, what rank heal gives most mana efficiency for the amount needing to be healed and what heal to actually use. The first option (round robin) is one press, one action and well-defined by blizzard as legal...the second action is full automation by removing human decision making and interaction after the initial key-press and thus illeagal.

As to your comment that the software remembers which character has already used an ability and determines the next character, this is patently false. All the computer remembers is the order of the list of characters you entered and which index of the array it is up to. It has no idea what the ability it's triggering is, it has no awareness of the GCD, it has no awareness of different ranks of the ability to use and it has no awareness of if the next character has it's ability available or if the last character's use succeeded.

It is absolutely nothing like the automation we saw pre v2.0 macro and lua rewrite and for you to cast aspersion on the legality of KeyClone while pushing the fact you have a competing offering in your very first post just stinks to me....not of your concern about the round-robin legality, but of you trying to confuse and coerce people to use your script...for what reason, only you can say, and I'm guessing you won't.

[Narcoz]

WoW has a similar feature.



/castsequence Frost Nova , , , ,



/castsequence , Frost Nova , , ,



Geddit?

Ye now i get it!

Thanks Wilbur, this was exacly what I needed. Thats actually a very good argument and thats THE strong leg to stand on I was looking for.

Shows why my title is "beginner" and your title is "professional". You gave a very good answer! 8)

thanks a lot! You're the Man!

[keyclone]

yes Knytestorme, there seems be be an influx of people like this over the last few days.

who knows. there is another thread about how keyclone is botting due to keymap translations.

i envy these people... their world must be so much fun... walking through it, totally mystified by just about everything. then trying to explain to others how the world must be flat...