1 button IWT and dps

[Nikita]

So, spent 2 hours yesterday trying to figure out a way to both do dps and IWT for my melee group. I use Octopus, so cant use the awesomeness of ISBoxer. I simply want it on first keypress to IWT, second keypress do dps. How the hell do I make such a button?

[ElectronDF]

I have a Logitech mouse and love it. Button 4, and 5 on thumb side is used for 2 most used spells/actions (main attack sequence and quick react attack). I use the sideways button action on the scroll wheel for my IWT. It is simple to get to, to spam and works great.

For looting with my alts, I set up SHIFT-1 to be my 1st alt, through SHIFT-4 to be my 4th alt and SHIFT-5 to be my everyone IWT (loot). It makes it easy to do collection quests (on mob bodies).

[Nikita]

Well, I use my mouse for click healing with my paladin. And would like one button to IWT so my DKs circle the target while dpsing. All in one button! Is this possible or is this in violations with the TOS?

[Lax]

Well, I use my mouse for click healing with my paladin. And would like one button to IWT so my DKs circle the target while dpsing. All in one button! Is this possible or is this in violations with the TOS?

There isn't an IWT "command" in the game so it can't be used as part of a WoW macro. If you don't want it unless it can be done in a macro, then don't put this on your DPS keys.

There's nothing in the EULA or ToS that says you cannot mash keys, and you gain no ability to bot or other unfair advantage by mashing keys. You can do the same thing by physically connecting the two buttons so that they both get pressed when you press it. Blizzard (and other game companies) don't care that you're doing this, and neither do other players. The only people who do, are the guys on multiboxing forums who are obsessing over a GM who was trying his best to explain the difference between botting and not botting. The guy complaining on the wow forum that 1 guy playing 5 characters just killed him has no idea and probably wouldn't care, he hates you anyway.

Out of everything one could possibly come up with to be controversial regarding multiboxing, mashing keys is probably at the bottom of the list. People who have never heard of multiboxing do this with their programmable keyboards or mice, and don't give it a second thought.

/rant

Here is what you need to know:
1. You become "automatic" when something happens without you manually adjusting some input control (key, switch, dpad, joystick, throttle, slider, motion sensor, etc) to kick off that action at that particular time. Example... some gamepads have a continuous fire mode where it will repeatedly press a button over and over at some time interval. Any delayed action is considered to be a part of this category.
2. You become a "bot" when you sense game information (e.g. player's health) in order to automatically respond to it (e.g. heal, switch dps modes, etc)

These are both not allowed in WoW, or most other games. Neither of these things are available in ISBoxer (or most other multiboxing software).

[Ualaa]

The GM Quote of: "One Button = One Action" elabarated on this...
(It is in the wiki on this site)

Specifically saying...

Push one key now and one thing happens now.
Not push one key now, one thing happens now, and without further input from you something else happens in 2 seconds and still no further input 4 seconds after that something else happens too.



You can push one key in your software.
And have it ouput sixty-seven different keys to wow.

You are directly causing all of those keys to be pushed.
Nothing you do now, will cause one to fire off 'x' seconds in the future.

It doesn't matter if you push Shift Tilde.
And Toon A receives W + Q, Toon B receives W + E, Toon C receives S + Q and Toon D receives S + E.... for a spread out action.
Sure they're getting two keys each, from one press.
But everything that occurred is a direct result of something you did at the time the action occurred.



When someone is using IS Boxer.
And presses "1".
They get FTL Assist, the same as a macro going /assist Focus.
They get their IWT Keybind sent to their melee toons.
They get "1" sent to all their clients.
All their clients try to do the Mind Freeze, but only one can receive it at a time, and only a specific intervals set within the software... always as a result of a press, but not always occurring on every press.

All of it occurs now.
And is a result of something pressed now.


On release, which is another valid key event.
They get five or six keybinds all at once.

Because of the Global Cooldown, a maximum of one will fire off.
If one is on cooldown, and it is the one that would have fired off, nothing happens.
But if they spam the key quickly, they'll get a lot of keys.
Some can fire off (and will, if pressed when not on cooldown)
And when there is no GCD preventing them from firing off.
Other presses will result in a key that cannot fire off due to lack of Runic Power, lack of a Rune, something else has caused a GCD, etc.

[Ualaa]

Here are a few quotes from our Wiki.
Check out more of them, if you are so inclined.



"Multi-boxing is not in violation of our current policies, Varlex."

"Unlike the forms of botting you mentioned, multi-boxing requires user input and does not automate any aspect of gameplay. Each time an action is performed it is controlled by a real player sitting at their computer controlling multiple accounts. "

Aradek, Customer Service Member
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...3&sid=1]Forums - World of Warcraft




"Allow me to set your argument to rest.

This:
Add in a 3rd party program. You press ONE button and all 5 screens react. How exactly is that fair/legit? It's not. The ability to control 5 computers at once with 1 single keyboard and 1 single press of a button is automation. The ability to make your characters cast their individual spells and skills at once by pressing 1 button is automation.

Is not automation by our standards. This is why multi-boxing is just fine.

The moment that single keypress initiates a string of actions not normally possible via our base macro system for an individual character, then that is a different matter. It is also a separate offense.

Multi-boxing, currently, is not a violation of our policies.

That is all."

Malkatorix, Blizzard Poster
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...=14#278]Forums - World of Warcraft




"As a soloist, you push a key and one thing happens on your account. As a multiboxer, you push a key and 1 thing happens on each of your accounts.

Automation would be timed macros, synced pathing, etc., not having the 1 key bound to Flash of Light on your Paladin and Fireball on your mage.

Clearly our definitions of automation differ greatly."

Belfaire, Blizzard Poster
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...=18#346]Forums - World of Warcraft




"Here's the thing - that's not 5 actions. It's one action, per character.

It would not be okay, if, for example, you had those macros set up so that you had one button to cast frost nova, wait out the global cooldown, blink, delay for global cooldown, then cast blizzard all in a single button press. That is, of course, several button presses.

So, to expand your definition: 'safe' multi-boxing commands are one button press = one action per character."

Malkorix, Blizzard Poster
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...sid=1#9]Forums - World of Warcraft

[Nikita]

Thanks guys for the quick response. Loads of usefull information here, BUT what Im really asking for is: how do I make button "1" send IWT on first press to my slaves, and on second press my dps spells making my DKs circle around the target, dpsing it. Ofc I need to mash this button to make em circle, but its like this: p1 IWT, p2 DPS, p3 IWT, p4 DPS etc. Im using Octopus atm, so curious if there is a way to make this happen with a macro of some sort! How do the rest of the melee boxing community do it? Mash 2 buttons at the same time while click healing and moving with their healer? Kinda stressfull :/

[Atrocious]

I think the easiest way to do what you want is to make a multi step mapped key, then you can set it to perform the action on both press and release. Just thinking out loud here, but something like this:

1. IWT on DKs
2. Send keypress 1 to all windows
3. Make DKs step left(or right if you will)
4. Make DKS step forward.

If you set your mapped key to perform on both press and release, then in two button presses you dks will interact with target, perform attack, and move a bit in "circle" around the target. Not sure why you want them to circle, but..... To make them cicle a bit more, then repeat steps 3 and 4 a few more times until they move as far as you want. You will have to set up action target groups and put your DKs in it, but besides that it's pretty simple.

[Nikita]

If you spam IWT they circle around the target, thats the beauty of it this is purely for PvP! But how do I make 1 key send multiple actions on my alts?

[coglistings]

@OP
I honestly don't know where this post is going, if its for the OP really want something that isn't a TOU violation or if it is a "hey how did that one guy do that to me" kind of post...

@ualaa

your links are to the old website and do not redirect to anything other than the forum main page.

Anyway, here is some quotes that I found while looking for the blues guidence that you can add to your refference on the topic ...
"To very quickly start with the multiboxers, these players genuinely aren’t breaking any of the game Terms of Use as they still have to control everything that each one of the characters is doing – software can be used in order to replicate key presses multiple times across all the open game clients (which is why the characters will mostly perform all their actions at the same time), but there’s still a person at the other end of the PC pressing the buttons to determine what all the characters do."

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1710231935

ergo, if you didn't press the key when something happened ingame, you are violationg tou. another post regarding keyboard software macroing goes on to state the litmius test used.

"...So the question remains, is what you are trying to do possible within the in-game macro system..."
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...3276242?page=5

Ualaa touched on this with Lax following up when he talks about keymashing vs. key spamming. While I can spam four different keys on my computer, I can only mimic that spamming ingame when those keys are macros in a cast bar slot and not movement nor ITW keys (macro with clickcasting). As stated before, you can physically spam 2 different keys, no one cares. however, if you spam 1 key and the action is 2 non combinable key presses being spammed, this is not allowed.

I think Ualaa talks about how keyup and keydown are two different key events and thus although you are physically pressing and releasing a key IRL, you are creating two seperate wow key events. I accept that when dealing with movement, this is allowed otherwise, we would forever sit and spin till a mouse stearing event would occur. (an interesting way to get rid of keyboard turners). However, no where in the game keybindings interface can you bind something to a "keyup event" Thus we can not accept that a "keyup" event outside of movement directional keys is a valid seperate key event even if it is considered as such by the OS, there is no precedance in wow. Thus it is automation by Lax's and the blues standards stated

Lets face it, the wow community and the blues aren't up to date with what people are doing who multibox as the conversations don't really get pass the whole "one person controlling multiple accounts" part on EVERY multiboxer post that is out there. The dual-boxer community needs to let go of these old tired examples that no longer apply to current feature use as justification for automation.

so where does this leave this forum hijack?

from the litmus test described above, there is no way for you to hit one key and have it hit the IWT keybind and press another dps keybind until we can bind actionbar slots to keyup events, or until IWT can be called from a macro.