no way baby, Im tough, hurrrrr!Originally Posted by Lax
I must have hit a soft spot.
There is only 1 true newly argued item mentioned in this response that draws my attention and it is the physically connected device, wether it is a popicle stick, or mechincal in nature. that presses two keys at once physically. again, aside from the "see I told you it could be done" people, no one uses the physically connected device in their day to day wow play. What is used is programms that unlike the physicaly device, do not have failure rates, or wear down like a part on a car can. The software performs nearly perfectly every time it is used to with percision in ms, that can not be duplicated in the physical world by a human activating the pressing of both keys. To gear the percision, you would have to automate the humans contact with the keyboard, placing a mechincal mechasim on a wheel or rotor and gear to achieve this, which means the whole replacement of a human by mechanical automation fails the concept that "a human is behind every keypress"
personal attack, saying im uninformed...Dude you're like a Tea Partier defending their vision of the constitution, rather than what the constitution actually says -- or without having read it at all.
attempt to say that it wasn't an attack at all, then later you beleive the article was about me. an attact inside of an apology? despite that I back up my comments with evidence and logic that still hasn't been touch. Are you sure the article isn't about you? I mean, you really do WANT your beliefs to be the norm.Yes. I am glad you got the point of me linking to THE ONION that has a funny article about you! Lighten up! I never said the article called the man a tea partier, I said something relevant to what you're doing, then I added a link that that made me think of, and I wrote a poem! I'm happy that we can share and enjoy satire together.
I have absolute no issue with a person who has dps key 1 and iwt key 2 and then physically spams the two using his fingers, palm, face, ass, etc. I just say that you can't have a dps key that also does IWT at the same time even if it is a key-up or keydown. Ualaa and Mercuro has gone to great lengths to educate the community about the logic of items being off of CD and how when a key is spammed, a highly opitimized rotation can be be realized. Ualaa also has established, as have you also I beleive, that IWT is off the cd and can be done at any time reguardless of the part of the cast bar you are in. My issue is having IWT on the same key as the dps key but binding it to the key-up and trying to call it a seperate key press action. You said that you can bind it to anyother key and press it at the same time. I would add, as long as you are physically pressing that other key, no harm, no foul. If HKN, AHK, or ISBoxer is pressing both keys for you at the same time you are physically only pressing one key, that is a "no no". I suppose you could break out the various devices. but I doubt their stability under regular utalization.
This is irrelevant because it doesn't need to be on keyup. It can be done at the same time as your attack. You can press your IWT key at the same time as your DPS key. Like holding 1 and 2. You can also hold W and A to go forward and left (with the default WASD).
Moreover, I mean, look at all the really COOL stuff people are doing with the wow interface. Have you seen that wow interface that completely automates areans, battlegrounds, and mob grinding? I wonder when blizzard will bring that aspect into the game?
blizzard licensed the graphics and world of warcraft game logo, not the rights to change interface ineraction with the game client. even if the keyboard could start running in game bots out of the box, it would still get you banned. welcome to licensing and mercantile lawSteelseries advertises their Officially Blizzard-licensed Shift Cataclysm keyboard (another keyboard I picked up) with this specific capability displayed in the Cataclysm keyboard promotion:
that is a turing machine. I have no problems with how many states you want to have as long as the change into those states does not execute a key press inside the game with a new physical keypress and not the original keypress that pushed you into the next machine state. I have already gone to lengths describing how action bar changes is basically the same thing and is replicatable ingame. moot pointshould I not be allowed to make that control do something when I move it to the left, and then something else when I move it to the right? What if I move the switch to the left and to the right really quickly
If key-up were something that blizzard would add to the default UI, then yes this would be a moot point. Until then, it is not moot. Please refer to my original post where I reason why IWT can not be put into dps key like other button names / macros can be. It is an advantage being used by our software that is not replicatable ingame with any addons. The addon you reffer to again "snowfallkeypress" was to help cause spell casting / ability triggering keybinds happen on the key-down action instead of the key-up action. it achomplishes this by injecting a keyup, mouse click up, event as soon as the registered key press occurs ingame. Please feel free to look at the LUA code for yourself, specifically, the AddOne funcitons.I am talking about when I say "spam keys"... If you program your n52 to repeatedly press a key (or different spells in sequence for example), this requires delayed action that isn't happening at the time of them pressing the n52 key. I am talking only about pressing and releasing keys at the time you are pressing and releasing physical buttons or moving other physical controls (then latter) Some people prefer to separate that into one on key down one on key up. Okay. Why not? This is two separate input events. WoW fires these separate events for Addons, too. They recently changed hotkeys to fire on press by default, with an option to fire on release, probably because some WoW Addons did that and people liked it. Did you ever notice that sometimes outside ideas get incorporated into games, because they're good ideas?
It however, does not allow you to do a seperate action, keyboard event on click-up, key-up., etc. Blizzard's blue post on the topic says that they are considering changing the key-event trigger to be on the front end instead of teh back end on this, which would make this addon, completely trival. see above blue quote
I pointed out the litmus testing you were using becuase you weren't kind enough to say which litimus test you were looking at and then how it failed the test. you just said, litmus test failed I asked that you state what test you were applying since I could only conclude you were speaking of the litmus test I had brought up. I can't argue tests that aren't defined because no one other then you would know what you are testing for. Clearly, that that doesn't appear to be happening. How would you like your doctor telling you, "well, you passed all tests except for three. see you next year"My entire point of describing various types of input controls and ways of interacting with the game is because there are some really genuinely cool things that people are doing, that these so-called "litmus tests" from blue posts (which as you have so kindly made sure to point out, are not necessarily GMs, but that's entirely beside the point) that are so often quoted, may not even be relevant to at all. These input controls are based on the precisely same things that you're saying should not be allowed
Clearly, I have hit a soft spot, as this discussion didn't imspire new objecive thought and a serious look at a community accept conduct that is regarded as completely legit. Again, you say the whole "blizard has better things to do" excuse, and that "they have bigger problems" followup, which does nothing to further discussion nor rebutt the arguement presented.
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