Best approach for arena?

[pinotnoir]

You really gotta have a terrible BG if you manage to win while playing double DK as a boxer in 2's. I tried double ele with semi decent gear and got owned quite badly. I doubt it's that much better for 2 DK's.

Elemental shamans are terrible in pvp. The double DK's are pretty good. It would be much easier for him to get points fast doing 2's or 3's. On my server if you que for 5's it will tell you unavailable for time. It's a complete waste of time unless guild members are doing 5's as well. The times I actually went up against someone in 5's it was the same team over and over. 5's on my battlegroup don't play.

[Littleburst]

Elemental shamans are terrible in pvp. The double DK's are pretty good. It would be much easier for him to get points fast doing 2's or 3's. On my server if you que for 5's it will tell you unavailable for time. It's a complete waste of time unless guild members are doing 5's as well. The times I actually went up against someone in 5's it was the same team over and over. 5's on my battlegroup don't play.

I had a 5 min queue on 5's when I tried it. I prefer that any day. But I guess Double DK works better if people say so. I still think you're to easy to counter. Just hope people who think don't play on that rating.

[ebony]

i can win my 5 games "just" had some really easy 5's group 2nd week at 85 and am going great then some groups just steam roller me thogh others they die looking at me


https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/webU...68815196701585


my groups

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/arena/gr...ath%20machine/

[Toned]

I am able to win games fairly easy as tripple ele in 3s.

I've been running 1 ele in a 3s with friends, paladin in 2s or 3s with friends, and 3 shamans together to get the main teams points ( missed last week was lvling dk's).

Hoping this week or next ill be doing dks in arenas ><

[Ualaa]

I've found a pair of players, who are decent in 2's.
They're willing to run 25 games of 3's, with my toons for three weeks.
I'm paying them per win.

That will be three weeks of five wins per toon.
With the Conquest weapons, that should make things a bit easier.
I've implemented everything mentioned here, except the Engineering, into my set up.
I will be adding the Engineering at some point.

Currently the DK's have Alchemy + Nothing.
So they'll each get Engineering.

The Pally has Alchemy + Enchanting.
There is the possibility of running heroics with this team.
But more likely, I would do it with another team.
The Enchanting is specifically to be able to disenchant.
Is there a significant disadvantage to not having Engineering on the Pally Healer?
My focus is battlegrounds, but arena would be nice for points each week.

[Fat Tire]

I've found a pair of players, who are decent in 2's.
They're willing to run 25 games of 3's, with my toons for three weeks.
I'm paying them per win.

That will be three weeks of five wins per toon.
With the Conquest weapons, that should make things a bit easier.
I've implemented everything mentioned here, except the Engineering, into my set up.
I will be adding the Engineering at some point.

Currently the DK's have Alchemy + Nothing.
So they'll each get Engineering.

The Pally has Alchemy + Enchanting.
There is the possibility of running heroics with this team.
But more likely, I would do it with another team.
The Enchanting is specifically to be able to disenchant.
Is there a significant disadvantage to not having Engineering on the Pally Healer?
My focus is battlegrounds, but arena would be nice for points each week.

What I have found with engineering in my experience is its over rated. I was either going to win without it or lose having it. It made very little difference. So much so that I dumped almost all my engineers and went blacksmithing with a couple of my characters, I like the extra gems. /shrug

[Negativ1337]

Not sure if you have an answer to your question yet. Here is my suggestion:

Make sure your rotation is working. If not adjust ISBoxer and fix issues.
Find a good spec for PvP. You could check out arenajunkies.com and look at rankings. Find the first high rated player of your class and gather information about specs and glyphs.

Get your hit rating and spell penetration sorted out. You need 4% hit chance, and about 240 spell penetration (yes 240, fully buffed mage with ice armor has 240 resistance). So your spells/abilities can't be resisted/missed.

After thats fixed get better gear. You can obtain better gear by either crafting a BoE blue set, or by gaining honor points/conquest points.

Now the most fun step, step into the arena and try to see what is going wrong and try to improve at arena. If you sure it's not your fault your failing hard in arena's try to find a better healer (not sure what setup your playing).

Kind regards,

Negativ1337

[Kekkerer]

The spec you play also slightly depends on your playstyle... this is the spec I play right now:

http://www.wowhead.com/talent#jcd0bZGcRrfzRdbu

a variation of it:

http://www.wowhead.com/talent#jcd0bZGcorfzRdbub


I did not start off using these specs however, the following spec spec is also much easier to play and helped me get used to dks in the arena especially when you are not used to timing strangulates.

http://www.wowhead.com/talent#j0oZGcRrfzRdbufM

[Ualaa]

I had not really looked at the second tier of Blood at all.

I really like the cooldown reduction on Strangulate; it will help a lot in Arena.
Battlegrounds are my focus, but arena gets the better gear...
I don't see losing Desecration as being too terrible in battlegrounds; Howling Blast is AoE, spammed frequently, and does the snare thing too.

Thanks for the suggestions and ideas, everyone.

[Ualaa]

The two players did not end up running any games with me, so gave up on them after the Tue maintenance; a week lost.



I did find a PvE geared gnome mage.
iLV 349 (DK's were 350, with PvP gear) so comparable gear level.
He had the Conquest wand, the rest of the gear was PvE entirely.
Frost and Fire dual-spec, no wins as Fire though.

The DK's ended up close to 50% win rate.
We disbanded the team, when we reached 800 rating.
And disbanded it again, at 600 rating.
For easier opponents.

I believe week one results (with the mage) were:
DK: 5 wins, 5 losses
DK: 4 wins, 4 losses
DK: 5 wins, 5 losses
DK: 5 wins, 4 losses
Pally: 5 wins, 3 losses

He's interested in running games both next week and the following.
Definitely offering gold per win, is a good approach for entering arena mid-season.
With random players, the 4W/4L DK is 1W/20L, with four different partners, only one with comparable gear (1W, 8L, with a 3.6k res Aff-Lock).

At this point, DK's are 3,173 Res and Juds is 3,196 Res.