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    Default The Planetary Interaction Experiment

    Some of you may find this interesting, some may find it crazy, mostly you'd find it to be lots of clicking. Planetary Interaction is the farmville of EVE, but it can net you a nice profit at the same time (especially if you are already multiboxing anyway) as you're doing other things like mining/missioning/plotting to take over the universe. My current project:

    I have one main toon on each account, so I've turned the other two "empty" toon spots into PI toons. I didn't total up the time, but a brand new toon with zero implants can be level 3 PI, level 3 industrial ship (of whatever race), and level 2 hull upgrades for expanded cargohold II's in 5ish days. ISK costs are about 25mil per toon for skills, ship, command centers, and setup for 4 planets.

    I would suggest not trying this until you have at least something that can haul a good amount of m3 (think Orca, or bigger). It takes me multiple trips just to pick up all of my P1 materials, so a regular industrial ain't gonna cut it for moving a 35 planet strip mining operation's worth of materials to a hub.

    For planets, I stick with ice and gas (and experimenting with lava) because they tend to have good prices for the P1 oxygen and water and a LOT more resources on each planet than if you chase some of the smaller stuff (a lot of which has a bad money/time ratio anyway). I'm not currently doing any P2 or above for the simple fact that I haven't messed with it yet and it adds a layer of complexity to an already big clickfest.

    I'm also setup close to a nice hub for selling stuff (think Jita, Rens, Hek, etc). The fewer jumps you have to do with your materials the quicker you can sell and go do something else. Remember, we want the least work for the most profit with this. I know lower sec systems get your a higher yield, so feel free to setup in the closest thing to low-sec you can find near a hub. I personally don't worry about this as much right now as it would tack on a lot of jumps to my hub and back home.

    So what am I actually doing? Get some good PI setups out there and start soaking up planetary resources. Set your extractors to run for 2 days, 1 hour, 30 minutes to keep the cycle time at 30 minutes. Try and hit two different pockets of resources at once reasonably spread out but running back to the same starbase. (Check out the PI tutorials on youtube if you havent done any PI). Pick up your stuff every four to six days. Let it stack up in your home station until you get a boatload. Run it to the hub (even if one thing sells better in another place, save time by bringing it all to a hub if you can). Sell, rinse, repeat. You can reset the extractors without even undocking your ship (and if your resources are still good in the location you are already set up at it's as simple as stopping and starting the extractor program and then going to the next planet).

    Ok, anyone who has done PI is saying yes yes, all of this is obvious. Ah, but what's my goal? I run 3 accounts and right now I'm out to make at least 2 of the 3 self sustaining with plex entirely from PI. I mission and play around with other stuff, but I'm really looking to try and make the most of the three characters on each account that I never ever have used in the past. Maybe it's something you want to try, maybe not. We'll see how the experiment goes.
    I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A bird will fall frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.

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    Nice write up, I've taken a different approach to PI, I have one character per account with PI skills and I select planets where I can make POS fuels and T2 componenets. Things have changed with the upgrades to PI so the planets aren't as flexible as they used to be (no more making robotics or Ukomi super conductors on a single planet). See below for my 'cheat sheet'.

    However my downfall is that I run weekly cycles and tend to forget to restart them. I could make much better use of PI by running short cycles and doing a regular daily restart session. Once I actually have a POS I'll need to be much more attentive.

    POS Fuels from Planetary Interaction
    Coolant, Enriched Uranium, Mechanical Parts, Oxygen, Robotics

    Plasma
    Base Metals > Reactive Metals, Heavy Metals > Toxic Metals, Noble Metals > Precious Metals, Non-CS Crystals > Chiral Structures
    Precious Metals + Reactive Metals > Mechanical Parts, Chiral Structures + Toxic Metals > Consumer Electronics
    Mechanical Parts + Consumer Electronics > Robotics

    Plasma
    Heavy Metals > Toxic Metals, Noble Metals > Precious Metals
    Precious Metals + Toxic Metals > Enriched Uranium

    Lava/Plasma
    Heavy Metals > Toxic Metals, Non-CS Crystals > Chiral Structures
    Chiral Structures + Toxic Metals > Consumer Electronics

    Barren/Plasma
    Base Metals > Reactive Metals, Noble Metals > Precious Metals
    Precious Metals + Reactive Metals > Mechanical Parts

    Gas/Ice/Storm
    Noble Gas > Oxygen

    Gas/Storm
    Aqueos Liquids > Water, Ionic Solutions > Electrolytes
    Water + Electrolytes > Coolant

    T2 Components from Planetary Interaction
    Construction Blocks, Consumer Electronics, Guidance Systems Mechanical Parts, Miniature Electronics, Robotics, Rocket Fuel, Superconductors, Transmitter, Ukomi Super Conductors

    Lava/Plasma
    Base Metals > Reactive Metals, Heavy Metals > Toxic Metals
    Reactive Metals + Toxic Metals > Construction Blocks

    Lava/Plasma
    Heavy Metals > Toxic Metals, Non-CS Crystals > Chiral Structures
    Chiral Structures + Toxic Metals > Consumer Electronics

    Lava/Plasma
    Non-CS Crystals > Chiral Structures, Suspended Plasma > Plasmoids
    Chiral Structures + Plasmoids > Transmitter

    Lava
    Felsic Magma > Silicon, Non-CS Crystals > Chiral Structures
    Silicon + Chiral Structures > Miniature Electronics

    Barren/Plasma
    Base Metals > Reactive Metals, Noble Metals > Precious Metals
    Precious Metals + Reactive Metals > Mechanical Parts

    Storm
    Ionic Solutions > Electrolytes, Suspended Plasma > Plasmoids
    Electrolytes + Plasmoids > Rocket Fuel

    Storm
    Aqueous Liquids > Water, Suspended Plasma > Plasmoids
    Water + Plasmoids > Superconductors

    Gas / Storm
    Noble Gas > Oxygen, Ionic Solutions > Electrolytes
    Oxygen + Electrolytes > Synthetic Oil

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    This looks like it could be interesting, will need to take a look at the tutorial on Youtube for starters

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    Can PI be done on any planet, or does it have to be 'unoccupied'?

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    Any planet, though it's worth looking to see if there are a lot of command centers (right click and show other's while in planet view). Wormholes are supposed to give great amounts of materials, but then you gotta get it all out to sell.
    I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A bird will fall frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.

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    My initial numbers are up:

    3 toons, 3 full days, 13 planets + 3 toons, 2 days, 12 planets = 50mil profit in P1 products.

    Add in 3 more toons with 12 more planets, fill out the second toon cycle to the full 3 days, I believe a realistic estimate would be about 70 mil profit every 3 days.

    Assume a 30 day average month that is an approximate 700 million month. 1 30 day Plex is about 330 mil (I believe, don't shoot me if im off by a few million) so PI alone should be able to fund 2 of my 3 accounts with some change leftover. And this is in no way optimized.
    I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A bird will fall frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.

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    Nice work, PI really pays off if you work at it, I'm going to try and restart my cycles more often to get the best out of them.

    How are you doing the hauling of goods?

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    At the moment I'm using an Orca, but shortly upgrading to a freighter as my last "big purchase" before dropping into plex mode for a bit. Sitting at 730mil at the moment, so should have a freighter within the week.
    I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A bird will fall frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.

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    Got all 9 mining toons to Ice Miner 2's and in retrievers, just started training 10 toons for PI. Going to get all skills in Planet Management skills to level 3 and colonize a few planets, see if I can get them to work

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    You might want to ramp up slowly on the PI, I just spent an hour restarting my cycles on six toons - had to move pretty much every extractor head and eve one actual extractor

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