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    Feral puts out way too much bleed damage.
    Sixty percent of their current damage is from bleeds.
    Mastery is incredibly good, way too good actually.

    Berserk, with the 15 (20 glyphed) seconds of fear immunity, has not been an issue for the life of the talent.
    In solo play, Priests and Warlocks have consistently been ok against Druids up until their DPS/Bleeds went through the roof.

    Similarly, with Powershifting for eight arena seasons, root classes have not had issues with Druids.

    Feral Druids have never been highly represented in arena.
    There are eight players in the top twenty teams (3's and 5's) across all battlegroups...
    Compare that to every other spec except Hunters (all three specs are represented less), and there are substantially more of anything else.
    So in the current game, in arena Ferals are not that strong.
    Nor have they ever been strong in arena.

    Ferals need nerfs to bleeds.
    They essentially have 100% up time.
    Because of being on target 75-80% of the time, via power shifting from roots.
    But having more than half their damage tick constantly - melee dots.
    They don't need a nerf to their final talent in their main tree or to a class mechanic that has been part of the class since original beta.

    Not shifting out of frost roots...
    Results in five dead kitties, very quickly from a single frost mage.
    It's pretty easy to test that on live; ran a few BG's where I did not power shift.
    Not saying they should be better than every other melee vs a frost mage.
    It might even be more that a frost mage is over powered.
    But not breaking root, makes the class suck from a fun factor.
    As a boxer, the fear thing isn't too bad, as any one-box fearing class is dead fast.. but I don't see the need to nerf Berserk either.
    Neither the shifting or the berserk were issues, prior to the DPS/Bleeds going through the roof.

    I pay for the game because it is fun.
    My favorite class is and always has been the Feral Druid.
    They are more than decent to box.
    The whole stealth somewhere.
    Ravage to destroy any single target.
    And then a decent chance to take out anyone, from the burst.
    Or the ability to run away from anything, via Power Shifting and faster movement.
    To attack again from stealth...
    Well, a single rooting class (Enhance-Totem, Mage-4x Roots, Hunter-Entrapment) can prevent my entire team from escaping, with one character.
    If that ends up going live, which it looks like it will... I don't see my style of play as being enjoyable; BG's have sucked balls, when I've declined to break roots via power shifting.
    So why pay for something which is not enjoyable?

    Again, I put my money where my mouth was.
    Listed the reason for the cancellation.
    And specifically said, if the class remains fun -- and for me the supreme mobility is what makes it fun -- I will definitely renew.
    If there is another feature that makes it enjoyable to box/play, that would work too.
    But if the class is not what I enjoy, then I'm done.

    From a boxing point of view.
    If Blizzard is happy to remove something which has been class defining and constant for the entire life of the game.
    Then they are just as likely to nerf the next class I invest hundreds of hours in leveling and gearing in battlegrounds, and spending massive gold on, etc.
    So, I've put my foot down.
    I don't see it as over-reacting.
    If the class is fun after whatever changes, I'll play it.
    If the class is not fun, I won't play it.
    And I won't be switching to a new flavor of the month, since the Ferals are the most fun I've had boxing, and anything else could be as drastically nerfed just as easily.
    EverQuest I: Bard / Enchanter / Druid / Wizard / 2x Magician.
    Diablo III: 4x Crusader & 4x Wizard.

    My Guide to IS Boxer http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=26231 (somewhat dated).
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    I hope to finish gearing my dk team and do some guild raids. The expansion is bitch when it comes to doing heroics but if you stick with it you can overcome. My pve team is geared up decent and the pvp team is nearly in full pvp gear.
    “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
    Epicurus

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    I solo leveled a shaman, rogue, hunter, and warlock to 85. I play the shaman with my friends in PVP, resto spec does much better now than it did in LK. I play the rogue in PVP sometimes as well.

    My team of 1 shaman and 4 hunters is level 84 and needs about 40% more to hit 85. That is my current goal.

    My goals, assuming I continue to play (no plans to quit, but I tend to play it by ear):

    * Level my other teams (lvl 63 mages, lvl 43 warlocks) to 85.
    * Eventually wind up with five each of level 85 shaman, hunter, warlock, and mage.
    * Have at least 5,000 gold on each level 85 character when they ding. This one is easy, most will be at 6k-7k just from quests and mob loot.

    Mostly I plan to run teams of 1 shaman and 4 of the other classes to quickly run daily quests and Tol Barad for easy upgrades, money, and guild experience. The guild is about halfway to level 6 and I have around 60,000 gold so far. I only plan to PVP with a single character at a time, primarily the one shaman that I play right now.

    At some point I'll probably level my paladin to 85 as well and see about running dungeons or old raids and such. Mostly I want to have my groups at max level so that I'm ready to hit the next expansion running if I'm still playing at that time. No real plans for running dungeons or raids right now, aside from the occasional 5-man run with friends. I think I'm done with the PVE grind in WOW aside from leveling and daily quests.
    "Multibox : !! LOZERS !!" My multiboxing blog

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    You could say i'm a slow player, my first toon took me 2 years to level, and she's only 2. I'm multiboxing from august

    THAT'S what I'm doing with this expansion hehe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefunk View Post
    You could say i'm a slow player, my first toon took me 2 years to level, and she's only 2. I'm multiboxing from august

    THAT'S what I'm doing with this expansion hehe.
    Congrats!

    Quote Originally Posted by pinotnoir View Post
    I hope to finish gearing my dk team and do some guild raids.
    In an MB guild, this is like herding cats...they keep breaking roots and stealthing away
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    I'm having a lot of fun with my paladin and 4 dks. I love the feeling of being back in the old world which feels much more epic than the outland or northrend.

    One thing I don't like is that the only cities that are alive are SW and ORG. They should make everything that's available in SW and ORG to the other cities like IF, Exodar, Undercity, Thunderbluff etc. Last night it felt refreshing to spend time in Exodar to do engineering stuff, but the moment I have to get to Tol Barad or to the Cata regions I have to get back to SW.

    My plans are to keep trucking in arena and reach 2k rating.

    Rated BGs are a letdown for boxers, they don't really work unless the other team sucks balls or they are undergeared. So I'm not doing any rated BGs.

    Other than that, I plan to level engineering for the new rockets and later JC on 5 toons to make some gold.

    And as always, doing logs of battlegrounds which I don't feel like they ever get old. Griefing armies of undergeared (and sometimes overgeared) people in BGs is always fun.

    And I plan to moderate my time in WoW so I don't get burned out. I started with parental controlling my own accounts to get them to disconnect me from the game at 11PM on every week day. It works because I'm lazy and after I get DC-ed I don't want to go back and change the parental controls to let me log back in.

    I see a lot of you are disappointed and canceling. Well, that never worked for me. I've always come back, so I just take it easy, not have too high expectations, not let upcoming changes get me upset, etc. I just go with the flow and try to have fun. A few engineering levels today, a few random bgs tomorrow, a few normal dungeons the day after and so on.

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    Oh and Kang, when are we doing that BT raid as a guild?
    BTW, this is Palee in case you don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firstcow View Post
    One thing I don't like is that the only cities that are alive are SW and ORG. They should make everything that's available in SW and ORG to the other cities like IF, Exodar, Undercity, Thunderbluff etc. Last night it felt refreshing to spend time in Exodar to do engineering stuff, but the moment I have to get to Tol Barad or to the Cata regions I have to get back to SW.
    Yeah, that seems to go against their stated intention of making the old world viable again. That's why they removed the Outland and Northrend portals, they said. I don't mind that they did that, but all they've done is make Orgrimmar and Stormwind the new Shattrath/Dalaran.

    One semi-nice thing that they did (at least in Org) is create two separate sets of inn/bank/AH. One is near the main entrance to the city, the other is further back and closer to the back entrance. Not only is it a pretty good location (close to the portals, most class trainers, and most profession trainers) but few people seem to use the area. So the front area of Orgrimmar is packed with people standing around or sitting on their mounts, and the back area is almost a ghost town. Lag free and generally idiot-free, there's usually only one or two people at the bank or AH.

    Still, I can't recall the last time I visited the Blood Elf or Tauren cities on any of my characters. I only ever see Undercity because my AH toon is parked there... because it's nice and empty all the time.
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    The 80-85 experience for me was so damn annoying. Want to dungeon so I don't have to quest, but I have to quest to be able to do dungeons. And questing means collection quests.
    Just that experience has degraded my interest in leveling alts so much that I have no more interest in more teams.
    Normal dungeons are boring at 85, and heroics are a wipefest. Soloing heroics always reminds me of why I started boxing, and trying to do TB dailies with soo many other people at the same time is painful.
    To add to all of that, my progression guild of a year and a half broke up 2 weeks into raiding, so I'm in a new guild, with few friends, and now I only find myself logging on for raids. Been a few weeks since I logged the team on.

    Alliance-Aman'thul

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    Took my main from 80-85, am in a very nice guild, don't see a point in boxing anymore with the LFG tool and everything I want to do in the game. In the process of consolidating my accounts from 6 to 2 and then finally 1 I guess.

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