Why EQ1 was better then WoW - Fear.

[Gramzngunz]

All this talk of the old school reminds me of UO. That was my game. That game also gave you fear. "should I take out my sword of vanquishing? if some PKs roll by i'm going to lose it...." It was fear of monsters killing you and other players looting you, or other players just killing you and taking your stuff. Mmmm. The only MMO that gives me that kind of feeling now is Darkfall. I don't really play it anymore, but running from one side of the world to the other, then having the Red Dragon just swoop down on you and burn you to death w/ 2 fire balls and send you back to your bind point 30 minutes away... priceless.

[Shodokan]

In wow it is MORE than possible... i could make 3-4 grand a month from wow gold if all I did was make gold. But it is boring. Botting gets you banned even if you do it smart (watch soon for ban wave ) but you are right it is nothing in comparison to when EQ was big, at least from the perspective of amount per hour gained. Even at our best boxers can only pull in about 10k an hour worth of materials etc.

[Toned]

In wow it is MORE than possible... i could make 3-4 grand a month from wow gold if all I did was make gold. But it is boring. Botting gets you banned even if you do it smart (watch soon for ban wave ) but you are right it is nothing in comparison to when EQ was big, at least from the perspective of amount per hour gained. Even at our best boxers can only pull in about 10k an hour worth of materials etc.

Exactly I'm not saying it's not possible. I'm saying it's not worth it. You would make more money working at a dead end low paying job.

BOT farming alone comes to mind you can make a few 100k+ in a day till you break the server economy. Moving that much gold gets you ban quick.

You also have to worry about the WoW gold economy on your server... Gold is so easy to get in cata who really needs to buy 100,000g wtf do you do with that much? I have over 100k and no idea what to do with it.

[Shodokan]

Exactly I'm not saying it's not possible. I'm saying it's not worth it. You would make more money working at a dead end low paying job.

BOT farming alone comes to mind you can make a few 100k+ in a day till you break the server economy. Moving that much gold gets you ban quick.

You also have to worry about the WoW gold economy on your server... Gold is so easy to get in cata who really needs to buy 100,000g wtf do you do with that much? I have over 100k and no idea what to do with it.

I'm sitting at 1.8 million right now. I have no idea what to do with it either. But as it is easily doable to pull off 20k an hour doing BoT trash if you are efficient. But like you said you have to watch out for a lot of factors.

If I sat down and simply TRIED to make gold for a job. I could make more than 20$ an hour easily, which mind you is much better than minimum wage (7$ in my state), but the tediousness of it would kill me.

[Svpernova09]

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You guys know I'm relaxed about this (especially when it's discussion/not promotion), here's the point where people get antsy.

[Toned]

Back on topic...

EQ1 remember how an expansion came out, but the old content still meant something?

WoW shit is obsolete so fast a lot of people never get to enjoy it. Seems like a waste of Dev time to me.

I'd love 5man heroics that were based off old world raids... Like MC / BWL / AQ / ZG etc...

Heroic Deadmines comes to mind when it comes to updating old content. Heroic Deadmines is one of my favorite 5mans to date. I can only imagine what they'd turn a heroic Strat (WoTLk did a play on this, but I'm talking the same old bosses / new ones with some new abilities), Scholo, or BRD into.

[Ualaa]

I remember final content from the current expansion was a challenge for 5% of the player base, with maybe 1% actually seeing the final boss during that expansion.

Probably 25% of the player base was one or two raids behind whatever the final raid zone was.

And 75% of those who were actively raiding, were still in content from the previous expansion. Not geared enough to do the starting raid, for the current expansion.
But then, you would usually have around 1/3rd of your gear from the current, previous and expansion before the previous one.

It was not like Warcraft, where an expansion is a complete gear reset; to put it into Warcraft terms, your BiS, for six of your twenty slots of gear might be from Burning Crusade, and eight of your twenty slots BiS from WotLK, with the final 6 BiS pieces from Cataclysm bosses.
And the final guy in the hardest BC raid, would still be a challenge for 75% of the server.

[katsurahama]

Remember the chessboard with the undead knights on it?

[Svpernova09]

I remember final content from the current expansion was a challenge for 5% of the player base, with maybe 1% actually seeing the final boss during that expansion.

Probably 25% of the player base was one or two raids behind whatever the final raid zone was.

And 75% of those who were actively raiding, were still in content from the previous expansion. Not geared enough to do the starting raid, for the current expansion.
But then, you would usually have around 1/3rd of your gear from the current, previous and expansion before the previous one.

It was not like Warcraft, where an expansion is a complete gear reset; to put it into Warcraft terms, your BiS, for six of your twenty slots of gear might be from Burning Crusade, and eight of your twenty slots BiS from WotLK, with the final 6 BiS pieces from Cataclysm bosses.
And the final guy in the hardest BC raid, would still be a challenge for 75% of the server.

One thing I always hated in WoW was the gear resets, I don't care about grinding new gear, but why are you spending so much Dev money on content that only lasts 2 years? replay value for past expansions really blows.

[Fat Tire]

One thing I always hated in WoW was the gear resets, I don't care about grinding new gear, but why are you spending so much Dev money on content that only lasts 2 years? replay value for past expansions really blows.

Yes this right here and what others have said about the gear resets is probably my biggest complaint I have ever had about wow. It's the main reason I stopped raiding or caring about pve at all. My wife quit raiding at the end of wotlk because 4 hours 3-4 times a week for a year only to have everything you did wiped clean. "I raided for a year for 4 hours 3-4 times a week and I have nothing to show for it, except a cheesy title, Fuck This!" she said.