Why do I not see many of you guys with a warrior ??

[Trushot]

I've been boxing ( hardware boxer ) groups since EQ over ten years ago

But I have a grand total of maybe 4 hours playing WoW

I've been reading a lot of you guys group makeups and can't seem to figure out why WoW seems to require you guys to use Hybird tanks instead of a warrior for a tank in your groups ... Most of you seem to be using a pally

Why do warriors not make the best tanks in WoW?

Or do they make best tanks but just easier to box with a hybrid tank?

I've just pulled the trigger on 4 battle chests after playing a worgen warrior through level 14 and loved it

So I'll be making a 5 toon group to box but just noticed none of you I can see box a warrior as your tank and I'm sure there is a reason I'm missing for that if someone could explain


I kinda am digging this warrior I made but don't want to get to max level with a team and realize I am gimped and needto roll a new tank

[Starbuck_Jones]

It might be different now, but pre cataclysm the reason most boxers chose a paladin for tanking was the ease of AOE agro. You could and still can make a single macro for a paladin that will rotate all of their spells on each button. This made it easy for boxers to focus on the healing and dps buttons for the rest of the group. So it didn't matter what you were spamming, the tank was always wailing away doing their job.

You don't have to manage a paladin tank. They are on auto pilot.

Other minor reasons are paladin tanks are front loaded on agro because they can mana dump on a pull. Warriors were back end loaded on agro. They had to charge in, build up rage etc before they got going.

[not5150]

I run a warrior tank with 4 shaman... I've been doing it for so long that I really haven't bothered switching to anything else.

Seems I hold aggro a bit better in Cataclysm. Charge/rend/thunderclap seems to survive through 2-3 chain lightnings.

[Kalros]

It probably has something to do with the fact that they suck, lol.

I was always a big Paladin guy, but recently made the switch to DK tanks. I've also dabbled with Druid tanks. I was never impressed with Warriors overall, and the warriors I grouped with before I started boxing sucked ass, so it made it an easy choice for me.

[Trushot]

It probably has something to do with the fact that they suck, lol.

I was always a big Paladin guy, but recently made the switch to DK tanks. I've also dabbled with Druid tanks. I was never impressed with Warriors overall, and the warriors I grouped with before I started boxing sucked ass, so it made it an easy choice for me.

well that sound airtight case against playing a warrior has swayed me from nit playing a warrior

lol

was looking for more specifics like the first reply

Makes me wonder what the point of wow having warriors is if they are not better tanks than hybrid classes are

[Dorffo]

I think it's a combination of several factors -
Previously paladin tanks had easy mode AoE threat as mentioned
Buffing synergy was higher between sham/pal then sham/war for a very long time
It seems that it wasn't until a while into Cataclysm that Bear (druid) tanks started to get some of the tools they were missing

If you're liking the warrior stick with it for now, he'll tank just fine down the road. Keep in mind that you can also always start up a DK and catch him up from 60 (or join your team at 60) if the warrior doesn't work out.

[Khatovar]

Makes me wonder what the point of wow having warriors is if they are not better tanks than hybrid classes are

Because people were sick of that mentality. Warriors are the only real tanks, priests are the only real healers, mages are the only real caster dps.... That died with Vanilla and for good reason. No one wants to play a game where you can't do things without the "proper" setup.

It's bad enough when no one wants to play tanks or healers. When someone actually did pick up a tank or healer that wasn't a pure class, no one would ever let them actually run as a tank or healer, only as support. Here is an honest to god, everyday situation my husband and I would have in Vanilla -

RandomDPS - LFG STRAT!!
Husband {tankadin} - We'll go
RandomDPS - LF2M STRAT! Need tank and heals!
Me {resto druid} - Um....we ARE tank and heals.
RandomDPS - ROFL!! Right!
You have been removed from the group.
RandomDPS - LFG Strat!

This is a game of min-max and Blizzard has spent a lot of time and effort to get away from the old mindset of "in a pinch, you can use hybrids to..." There is no longer "Pure" or "Hybrid" classes. There's just specs.

[Ualaa]

A warrior has a lot of reactionary moves; the mob dodges one of your attacks and you can (forget the name) which auto hits for some damage.
If you dodge, parry or block an attack, you can do another type of move, which is beneficial to use at every opportunity.

You have abilities which can only be used in one stance or another.
If you're willing to stance dance, which many warriors are not willing to do...
Well having a lot of tools is very nice.

Balance that against a tank with a fixed rotation, and limited "proc" abilities.
I can mash a single button for a Druid, Paladin or Death Knight, and get up to 75-80% efficiency compared to one-boxing the same class.
With the one-button mashing of a Warrior, I'm at 50-60% efficiency.

You can drive with any tank very well.
As the main toon, they all work so it is a preference call.
Still, closer to maximum efficiency, without needing to think allows you to concentrate on other things.



As a tank, I like the:

DK because of Death Grip, and the extra healing from Rune Tap and/or Death Strike. Path of Frost is very nice utility in a lot of battlegrounds. Also very high DPS in relation to other tanks is a bonus.

Pally because of the choice of buffs (Stats vs Attack Power & Mana Regen), an aura of choice such as Resistances, extra Armor or increased Mount speed. This class can Rez or Divine Intervention (save from a wipe) another Rez capable class. The immunities or redirecting damage to the Pally is a bonus. Fairly easy to macro (1 button spam) and decent AoE, although that seems less now than in previous expansions. Can dual-spec to a strong healer too.

Druid because you're a full DPS spec and Tank spec in the same toon at once. Your DPS is very strong as a tank. Your toon can Cat Form for faster kills and Bear Form for survivability often bouncing between the two rapidly. The buff 5% stats is strong. Battle Rez, and normal rez are nice options. An all druid team rocks, and you can dual-spec to any other role. For non-mixed teams (ie, all Druids) I love instant flight form.

Warrior brings a fairly strong tank, but you need to manage a lot more things to be as effective. Your dual-spec, is pretty useless to a boxing team (as is the DK's, both dual-spec to damage only). Your buff (shout) is attack power or a bit of health, which isn't bad but not nearly as strong as the other tank options. If you were one-boxing a toon, as well as five-boxing this might be a very good choice.

[Trushot]

I'm not against ya I'm with ya .... I think you misunderstood my intent of inquiry ...

The more I read the more it seems as if pallys are a way better choice for tanking than warriors

Paladins seem to be able to tank as well or better than warriors with pally aoe tanking

so with all the other cool stuff pallys can do in addition to aoe tanking better than warriors from what I'm reading j do not see a point to rolling a warrior in wow since it seems pallys tank just as well or better plus have all sorts of buffs and other useful things compared to warriors ... I'm trying to understand what the point of rolling a protection warrior is now when a pally just seems better I. Every way

am I kissing something or has blizzard relegated the warrior to nothing special and other classes can do it as we or better?

Because people were sick of that mentality. Warriors are the only real tanks, priests are the only real healers, mages are the only real caster dps.... That died with Vanilla and for good reason. No one wants to play a game where you can't do things without the "proper" setup.

It's bad enough when no one wants to play tanks or healers. When someone actually did pick up a tank or healer that wasn't a pure class, no one would ever let them actually run as a tank or healer, only as support. Here is an honest to god, everyday situation my husband and I would have in Vanilla -

RandomDPS - LFG STRAT!!
Husband {tankadin} - We'll go
RandomDPS - LF2M STRAT! Need tank and heals!
Me {resto druid} - Um....we ARE tank and heals.
RandomDPS - ROFL!! Right!
You have been removed from the group.
RandomDPS - LFG Strat!

This is a game of min-max and Blizzard has spent a lot of time and effort to get away from the old mindset of "in a pinch, you can use hybrids to..." There is no longer "Pure" or "Hybrid" classes. There's just specs.

[Trushot]

I think I've decided to roll a pally for tanking boxing team

But will continue to okay this warrior as a solo character ...
I'm on the road a lot with laptop and playing one toon only 3-4 months out of the year

after reading several hours on the net I understand how pally can be way better for boxing tank

A warrior has a lot of reactionary moves; the mob dodges one of your attacks and you can (forget the name) which auto hits for some damage.
If you dodge, parry or block an attack, you can do another type of move, which is beneficial to use at every opportunity.

You have abilities which can only be used in one stance or another.
If you're willing to stance dance, which many warriors are not willing to do...
Well having a lot of tools is very nice.

Balance that against a tank with a fixed rotation, and limited "proc" abilities.
I can mash a single button for a Druid, Paladin or Death Knight, and get up to 75-80% efficiency compared to one-boxing the same class.
With the one-button mashing of a Warrior, I'm at 50-60% efficiency.

You can drive with any tank very well.
As the main toon, they all work so it is a preference call.
Still, closer to maximum efficiency, without needing to think allows you to concentrate on other things.



As a tank, I like the:

DK because of Death Grip, and the extra healing from Rune Tap and/or Death Strike. Path of Frost is very nice utility in a lot of battlegrounds. Also very high DPS in relation to other tanks is a bonus.

Pally because of the choice of buffs (Stats vs Attack Power & Mana Regen), an aura of choice such as Resistances, extra Armor or increased Mount speed. This class can Rez or Divine Intervention (save from a wipe) another Rez capable class. The immunities or redirecting damage to the Pally is a bonus. Fairly easy to macro (1 button spam) and decent AoE, although that seems less now than in previous expansions. Can dual-spec to a strong healer too.

Druid because you're a full DPS spec and Tank spec in the same toon at once. Your DPS is very strong as a tank. Your toon can Cat Form for faster kills and Bear Form for survivability often bouncing between the two rapidly. The buff 5% stats is strong. Battle Rez, and normal rez are nice options. An all druid team rocks, and you can dual-spec to any other role. For non-mixed teams (ie, all Druids) I love instant flight form.

Warrior brings a fairly strong tank, but you need to manage a lot more things to be as effective. Your dual-spec, is pretty useless to a boxing team (as is the DK's, both dual-spec to damage only). Your buff (shout) is attack power or a bit of health, which isn't bad but not nearly as strong as the other tank options. If you were one-boxing a toon, as well as five-boxing this might be a very good choice.