10/25 box raid melee team

[Sam DeathWalker]

My solution is as follows:


Tank: Prot Pal (aoe agro)
DPS: arcane (aoe) or fire (single target) Mage
Healing: resto shaman (riptide STACKS)
CC: Mage, Shaman


I am sure other tanks or healers could be sub (good thing about shaman is that you can convert to dps if needed), but this seems a solid balance, and with 3 classes programming should be simpler. And more prot pal if you need off tanks but mage also gives you CC, as does Shaman


Tank / DPS / Healing / CC

Pretty much takes care of 90percent of encounters.

[doommachine]

so 3 pally tanks 6 shammy heals and 16 mage dps.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Thats what I would do but then again I have no raid experience. Again best to see what the big guilds are doing and how they win these encounters.

But its obvious, raid experience or no, that you will need tanking, dps and healing and cc. And three is good for tank, you will need an offtank many times I am sure and a "replacement" tank if one dies. Or one to run to the healers or dps to get argo from them in emergency.

Thats the proper ratio though, a bit heavy on the healing as if needed you can make the shaman do dps.

Also mages have that new ring of ice spell which should be a great CC type spell.


Now you only have to deal with macros for three classes, much faster to make macros for each encounter.

I really doubt boss mobs in this game are going to kill yur prot pally with 6 riptides on him (unlike EQ which is way harder) ...... but I really have no idea.

[zenga]

Hmmmm whats the feasibility of a 25man raid that is nothing but PROT PALADINS? *shudders* i hate pallys.

I'm going to be straight with you, wheter you like it or not:

- if you would 've spend 30 minutes looking at cataclysm raids & tactics, you'd realize by now that 25m solo raiding as a boxer is not possible, just by mechanics
- you'd also realize by now that your all melee / pally / casters is nothing but stupid

Not even talking about the time it's gonna take you to get 25 toons up to 85, which is realistically several months, at least. And then you still need to gear them up to not getting 1 shotted by a raid boss. Add another month. By that time there is a new tier of gear/content out.

This has nothing to do with skill. This has to do with common sense and do 30 minutes of research (like suggested earlier) rather than talking nonsense about 25m raiding. You wanna box 25 man pvp? Sure go ahead, thats doable. Wanna box 25m pve raids? Forget about it, not gonna happen. The fact that you never got past gunship might explain you being naive, but it should not be an excuse.

Sorry to burst your bubble. But it might save you time and dollars.

[zenga]

My solution is as follows:


Tank: Prot Pal (aoe agro)
DPS: arcane (aoe) or fire (single target) Mage
Healing: resto shaman (riptide STACKS)
CC: Mage, Shaman


I am sure other tanks or healers could be sub (good thing about shaman is that you can convert to dps if needed), but this seems a solid balance, and with 3 classes programming should be simpler. And more prot pal if you need off tanks but mage also gives you CC, as does Shaman


Tank / DPS / Healing / CC

Pretty much takes care of 90percent of encounters.

1 think you forget is that you basically need gear that drops in raids to progress in raids. With so few classes specs, there is an insane amount of drops that 'll need to be DE'd. Having multiple classes / specs will make that you take advantage of gear drops.

I really doubt boss mobs in this game are going to kill yur prot pally with 6 riptides on him (unlike EQ which is way harder) ...... but I really have no idea.

Riptide is a dot. Raidbosses usually do more & constant damage than dots can heal for, so you gonna need at least a spell to heal through 'burst' damage.

[doommachine]

@sam thank you for helping me out and giving me advice.

[doommachine]

@zenga Watching the videos is what made me stop wanting to use melee dps cuz the groups with melee were getting annihilated. But what about it makes it IMPOSSIBLE to do with any combo of toons? Is it the mechanics or just the sheer amount of time it would take to level the toons and get them properly geared? And what about 10 man raids? Is that just as impossible (or just not worth it due to having to level and gear them all)?

[Svpernova09]

My raiding experience is mostly just icc.

ICC isn't raiding. Anyone that told you it was lied to you. Cataclysm raids will cock punch you and hand you a large cup of shut the fuck up and a hot plate of sit the fuck down compared to ICC. ICC was Candyland. There's cataclsym heroics that are harder than most ICC fights. I'm not going to tell you that Cataclysm raids aren't boxable. I'll leave that to boxers that have actually boxed shit before it was candy coated. I will tell you that you won't be clearing Cata raids on level with you boxing 25 toons. There's too many mechanics that would just blow your mind trying to work out a strategy for, and honestly, you don't seem to have the capacity to properly theorycraft it.

Consider this a wake up call that just because you've watched some videos, raided some cheese content while wielding a hot knife that you really don't have any idea what you're trying to get yourself into. There's a a reason Sam is shunned on these forums. It's because he's made a WoW career out of trolling the fuck out of people who don't know any better and blatantly ignoring advice he's asked for just because it wasn't done that way in another game. So sure, go to Sam for answers, it'll very much be the blind leading the legally blind.

[Griznah]

My solution is as follows:
DPS: arcane (aoe) or fire (single target) Mage

This. Is. Retarded.

Arcane has superior singletarget DPS and fire as superior AoE. You should get your facts straight before throwing stuff like this around.

[EaTCarbS]

@zenga Watching the videos is what made me stop wanting to use melee dps cuz the groups with melee were getting annihilated. But what about it makes it IMPOSSIBLE to do with any combo of toons? Is it the mechanics or just the sheer amount of time it would take to level the toons and get them properly geared? And what about 10 man raids? Is that just as impossible (or just not worth it due to having to level and gear them all)?

Your questions have already been answered in a previous post

I'm going to be straight with you, wheter you like it or not:

- if you would 've spend 30 minutes looking at cataclysm raids & tactics, you'd realize by now that 25m solo raiding as a boxer is not possible, just by mechanics
- you'd also realize by now that your all melee / pally / casters is nothing but stupid

Not even talking about the time it's gonna take you to get 25 toons up to 85, which is realistically several months, at least. And then you still need to gear them up to not getting 1 shotted by a raid boss. Add another month. By that time there is a new tier of gear/content out.

This has nothing to do with skill. This has to do with common sense and do 30 minutes of research (like suggested earlier) rather than talking nonsense about 25m raiding. You wanna box 25 man pvp? Sure go ahead, thats doable. Wanna box 25m pve raids? Forget about it, not gonna happen. The fact that you never got past gunship might explain you being naive, but it should not be an excuse.

Sorry to burst your bubble. But it might save you time and dollars.