How is Losing Possible with this Setup?

[Quasi]

Very simply, how does a Quintuple Elemental Shaman setup ever lose in the 5v5 Arena (barring another team with the same setup)? I see no weakness. Please enlighten me on the downsides, before I invest the money.

With staggered Tremor Totems, staggered Magma Totems to break stealth, 5 healing streams (about 500 healing/2 secs), 4 Grounding Totems, and EM-NS-trinket CL, what group could possibly defeat you?

Personally, I would sit back, and always pop EM-NS CL on the first person to enter a radius of 36 yards around me. Now, it's 4v5, and the next person to come within my range is going to get 4x/5x Lightning Bolts followed with 4x/5x Earth Shocks in rapid succession. The rest will systematically die.

The only things that comes to mind is 1) multiple Shadowstep Rogues attacking in unison, or 2) a bubbled Paladin using HoJ and Repentance on 2 of your Shamans and the rest of his team entering the fray with mass AE and multiple AE fears to confuse you. Both would require perfect timing, but they could work. Even these, though, wouldn't work if you anticipated it.

[Furball]

Hint: Its not as easy as it look in Ellay's videos.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

You've got the offense part down pretty good. What if they start focus-firing one of your guys? How do you heal? Are you going to have one specced resto? If not, your heals suck for mana and amount healed, and every time you stop to chain heal you're stopping DPS also. Survival, in spite of being relatively immune to CC for several seconds is where the problem comes in. Which is why most guys that do something similar run 4x shammies and a buddy playing a healer.

[Vyndree]

One grounding totem.

Seriously, it will eat your whole lb+cl+ns+lb.

Understanding your own weaknesses is the first step to success in PvP. Tremor is nice, but your spells are still going to get interrupted and some kiting will easily make it difficult for you to face your target. Cleaves/aoe? Grounding won't eat those. Hunter/lock pets with totem killing macros? A healer who knows to spam purge/rank1 instant casts to get rid of your grounding totems?

You're definitely not immune forever. If Ellay was impossible to beat, he'd be WAY beyond the 2k rating.

[Quasi]

One grounding totem.

Seriously, it will eat your whole lb+cl+ns+lb.

Understanding your own weaknesses is the first step to success in PvP. Tremor is nice, but your spells are still going to get interrupted and some kiting will easily make it difficult for you to face your target. Cleaves/aoe? Grounding won't eat those. Hunter/lock pets with totem killing macros? A healer who knows to spam purge/rank1 instant casts to get rid of your grounding totems?

You're definitely not immune forever. If Ellay was impossible to beat, he'd be WAY beyond the 2k rating.

Ouch, I did not realize a grounding totem ate all five CLs. If I staggered one a millisecond ahead of the others, would it kill it in time?

Personally, I plan to fight as if I did not have totems (while of course using them).

As for healing, I'm going to lay down the 5 healing streams, keep up Bloodlust, and use a mix of Healing Wave and LHW on whatever target they are focus firing, in between shocks and CLs. Five Healing Waves will heal any shaman to full, even with MS debuff. Warriors will always be my first target to kill if they get inside 36 yards, to prevent MS in the first place.

With this approach, I cannot see how any of my shamans will die, barring some insane 3+ Shadowstep Rogue group ganking me with CloS.

[Vyndree]

Ouch, I did not realize a grounding totem ate all five CLs. If I staggered one a millisecond ahead of the others, would it kill it in time?

Depends. The spell has to reach the totem and actually kill it before the buff is removed from the shaman. Instant casts without a visible flight time are great for this (like DoTs) unlike lightning bolts which hurtle through the air.

As for healing, I'm going to lay down the 5 healing streams, keep up Bloodlust, and use a mix of Healing Wave and LHW on whatever target they are focus firing, in between shocks and CLs. Five Healing Waves will heal any shaman to full, even with MS debuff. Warriors will always be my first target to kill if they get inside 36 yards, to prevent MS in the first place.

This is true, but it also burns through your mana and you have zero spell pushback resistance on your heals (i.e. rank 1 Arcane Explosion?). Furthermore, if you're healing, you're not DPSing, which is just holding off the inevitable once you go OOM.

[xum]

This is true, but it also burns through your mana and you have zero spell pushback resistance on your heals (i.e. rank 1 Arcane Explosion?). Furthermore, if you're healing, you're not DPSing, which is just holding off the inevitable once you go OOM.

With a 40/0/21 spec, he'd have 70% pushback resist on healing.. and with S1+ gear 70% pushback resist on LB.

[Vyndree]

This is true, but it also burns through your mana and you have zero spell pushback resistance on your heals (i.e. rank 1 Arcane Explosion?). Furthermore, if you're healing, you're not DPSing, which is just holding off the inevitable once you go OOM.

With a 40/0/21 spec, he'd have 70% pushback resist on healing.. and with S1+ gear 70% pushback resist on LB.

By doing so he'd miss out on 3% +hit, Totemic Mastery, and/or Tidal Mastery. I don't know many ele shammies who fill out Healing Focus. And regardless, who's DPSing while you're healing?

A quick NS+Heal should be all a ele shammy would want to do. The heals are mana inefficient, weak, expose your nature school for interruption (which is bad enough considering everything including totems/LB's is nature), and effectively shut down your DPS. If an ele shammy is forced to heal you're typically on the losing side of the battle already.

Try it out and see.

[opt]

be careful with zerging a warrior, Spell reflect is bugged it could possibly reflect all of your trinketed NS CLs back at you.

[beyond-tec]

last time a full shaman group startet setting up totems and waited for us we just walked back to our starting area, sat down there and waited for them.
took several minutes but then they came and we fought against them without their totems.
was very nice to just sit there and /lol @ the shamans which waited for us to run into their tons of totems

when I play arena... I got time... lots of time...