Mosg2's DK Manifesto

[Mokoi]

yeah, I agree that this team has a lot of potential, but the proof is in the pudding. can you show us some fights with 5 people in a BG or something, even 3 or more just to show how you approach certain situations? do some BGs, and FRAPS them or something, streaming them ends up with bad quality, and important details might be lost.

I also have this team, and I feel like a priest may be an even stronger healer, given its got far more AoE healing and relief than a paladin does. with the shorter duration of bubble, and all that, I think priest shields and renew, prayer of mending would be MUCH stronger, no? do you have a priest you can do some tests with? I do, but i wont be home for a while and cant test it where I am, so maybe a comparison??

thanks though for this, it is really awesome to see someone getting all excited about a not-approached combo before. great job!

[zenga]

Well i got my main dk to 80 last night so I ran an AV with my 'new' team, bear in mind they are all in the blue pvp gear. So 4x frost with 2h + disc priest. Went to galv to defend on my own ... popped everything I head and literally all 10+ allies in the room fell over (would rather say 15):

horn of winter / Hungering cold (round robin) / death & decay / anti-magic shell / icebound fortitude / raise dead / army of dead
howling blast howling blast blood boil howling blast
empower rune weapon, howling blast howling blast blood boil blood boil

it was nuts

for me hungering cold on round robin is probably the most underestimated strength of this team

[Slats]

I've read the tooltip and I understand it gives 20% Stength. Are you saying that you can get it to stack of you RR it or something?

I have started to level my DK's - really quite enjoying the melee team but I too would like to see some PvP videos in FRAPs - not because I dont believe you but I always like a bit of encouragement before experimenting with something new.

Do you guys use follow-strobing or does that not really work with IWT? And are the people who are playing their own DK teams doing what mosq2 does and playing from the POV of the healer?

[Ualaa]

A correction on the Blood Tap.
The 2nd tier talent in Blood, reduces this to a 30 second cooldown.
As a Frost spec, Blood Tap is once a minute.

Still, it allows for three sets of Howling Blasts, as the opener instead of two sets.

I'd probably rather have the Unholy talent, where if a disease is decursed the rune (Frost) refreshes.
Not to mention, the first tier of Unholy is better overall for this spec... 9% spell hit, will really help Howling Blast.

[Shodokan]

A correction on the Blood Tap.
The 2nd tier talent in Blood, reduces this to a 30 second cooldown.
As a Frost spec, Blood Tap is once a minute.

Still, it allows for three sets of Howling Blasts, as the opener instead of two sets.

I'd probably rather have the Unholy talent, where if a disease is decursed the rune (Frost) refreshes.
Not to mention, the first tier of Unholy is better overall for this spec... 9% spell hit, will really help Howling Blast.

with a 1 disease build you really punish them for the cleansing... if they cleanse at all they will give you another howling blast.

These are the builds I am running:

http://wowtal.com/#k=ekPuFSOM.a8t.deathknight.mjYU3

http://wowtal.com/#k=t3DTUSAP.a8t.paladin.RofY4e or http://wowtal.com/#k=YfgNGzUD.a8t.paladin.RofY4e not really sure... kinda leaning more towards the ret spec.

[Mosg2]

@Slats:

Pillar of Frost makes you immune to abilities that move you So no Typhoon or Thunderstorm to get them off you.

[Mosg2]

I did some BG's today. You can see the replay on my stream.

[Ualaa]

Cool.

Will check them out.
Thanks.





*Edit*

Could not hear anything you said.
Was totally muted.

Could hear someone talking, so got one side of the conversation.
Along with quite a bit of eating sounds on their part.



Still...
You get a decent feel for how the team goes.
It sucks the level of gear disparity, between starter blues and that mage in the Strands game for example.
Would have gone quite differently within closer gearing.

I don't like the healing via Repeater Regions.
And having to select targets to IWT at the same time.
Although with larger HP pools and more even gearing... there will be more time to move the mouse back and forth.

[Mosg2]

Yeah, the hardest part to this team is that because of the HUGE gear disparity and the pre-Cata buffs the reaction window for healing is very tiny. I mean, my guys have 25k hp and 650 res. Most people have another 10k hp and twice the res.

I have the next two days off. Maybe I'll do some more.

[Mercbeast]

Yeah, the hardest part to this team is that because of the HUGE gear disparity and the pre-Cata buffs the reaction window for healing is very tiny. I mean, my guys have 25k hp and 650 res. Most people have another 10k hp and twice the res.

I have the next two days off. Maybe I'll do some more.

The proof of concept is, "can I kill people right now".

If you can kill people right now, including those 35,000 HP 1k+ resil guys, then the proof of concept was successful. Your DPS will only go up as you gear up into wrath and your survivability will only shoot through the roof. I personally have already done the proof of concept to my own satisfaction so I am not going to bother playing the DK's for any PvP until post cata with a gear reset. I'm busy getting my trade skills done and leveling up my paladin.

Question for you. Do you think the team gains more by having a healer, than by just going 5 DK's in PvP? Having 5 DK's and abusing blood tap is just an INSANE number of howling blasts you can open with. I'm unsure if I will run 5 DK or 4 DK + Pali. I will have both combo's avaliable. I've also got a level 60 druid I could potentially level up and use.