Mosg2's DK Manifesto

[Mosg2]

http://www.justin.tv/mosg2/b/274564908

Instead of trying to type it all out I livestreamed my Manifesto for the DK's. Please bear with me as I've been up for 20 hours and I'm exhausted.

The DK conversation has been taking place in 3-4 different threads in varying areas on the forums, so I just put this in the main forums. If it needs moved, so be it

In any case, enjoy and I look forward to the discussion to follow!

[Shodokan]

Great job explaining some things man.

This is def the team i'm running, i actually just hopped off my druids to my dks to have them finished to 80.

[Nsaeyn]

Great job on the video.
Let me see if I understand your rotation technique for you DK's

One button that spams in order like steps each key in the rotation.
i.e. 1 presses 2 then 1 again presses 3 then 1 again presses 4 etc...

Is that correct or am i way off?

[Mercbeast]

Ya, over the past week I came to basically the same conclusion as you. This team will be a wrecking ball. I'm really interested in how you setup your push down and release dps setup. I'm also interested in how you toggle IWT click to move off and on as you mentioned I'm still a pretty big newbie when it comes to setting up ISboxer macros.

[Ualaa]

I'm really interested in how you setup your push down and release dps setup. I'm also interested in how you toggle IWT click to move off and on as you mentioned I'm still a pretty big newbie when it comes to setting up ISboxer macros.

Create an Action Target Group, call it Melee.
Add all of your Melee toons to this group.



Now make a new mapped key (I put mine in the General Keymap).
Call it Melee IWT.
No hotkey, nothing in advanced.
One step, Actions:
Send (Your warcraft IWT keybind) to the current window.



Modify whichever mapped keys you use in the FTL DPS Keymap.
In my case, I've modified DPS 1 through DPS 3.

By default we have:
Hotkey: 1
Steps: 1
Actions:
- Do Mapped Key: FTL Assist Me, Target: Current Window
- Send "1" to all windows.

We want to change this a little.
Right click on Steps and add a second step.
Set the mapped key to execute a step on press and release.

Steps 1
Actions:
- Do Mapped Key: FTL Assist Me, Target: Current Window
- Do Mapped Key: Melee IWT, Target: Group (All Of) Melee [or whatever you called the ATG, from the first step.]

Step 2
Actions:
- Do Mapped Key: FTL Assist Me, Target: Current Window
- Send "1" to all windows.



Now we need to make a Toggle Macro, for the Melee IWT mapped key.

Create a mapped key (I put mine in General).
Call it Melee IWT Toggle.
Give it two steps.
Give it a hotkey, I use G6 (on my G15 keyboard).
Advanced, will be left alone.

Step 1
Actions:
- Pop Up Text, Current Window, Melee IWT Disabled
- Keymap Actions >> Mapped Key State Action >> General Keymap >> Melee IWT disabled (Target: All windows)

Step 2
Actions:
- Pop Up Text, Current Window, Melee IWT Enabled
- Keymap Actions >> Mapped Key State Action >> General Keymap >> Melee IWT enabled (Target: All windows).



This gets us...

IWT is spammed automatically, just by using our normal DPS Keys.
At least the ones which we've modified.
The IWT is only sent to members of our Melee group.

If we really wanted, we could have additional mapped keys, which would add or remove toons from this group.
The same principle could be used for a healer group, and our healer repeater region could target the healer ATG instead of sending the click to a specific toon.

We can also toggle the IWT off, via the last mapped key.
So when you don't want the toons to IWT spam, hit the hotkey once.
And now your DPS is normal, without IWT.
DPS 1... will still call the mapped key for IWT, but since it is disabled nothing happens, on that step.
You'll still get the "1" sent to all windows, after first assisting the active character.

[thedreameater]

Create an Action Target Group, call it Melee.
Add all of your Melee toons to this group.

Action Target Groups screw my toons up for some reason.

This is the second team I'm adding in ISBoxer. The first don't have a ATG. If I have my repeater disabled on the first team and hit the jump key, well, the repeater is off so the other toons don't jump. Only the first. WITH the ATG, all the toons jump, regardless of my repeater being disabled or not. All key sends are sent - which makes chatting and such impossible. Any idea?

Now make a new mapped key (I put mine in the General Keymap).
Call it Melee IWT.
No hotkey, nothing in advanced.
One step, Actions:
Send (Your warcraft IWT keybind) to the current window.

Modify whichever mapped keys you use in the FTL DPS Keymap.
In my case, I've modified DPS 1 through DPS 3.

By default we have:
Hotkey: 1
Steps: 1
Actions:
- Do Mapped Key: FTL Assist Me, Target: Current Window
- Send "1" to all windows.

We want to change this a little.
Right click on Steps and add a second step.
Set the mapped key to execute a step on press and release.

Steps 1
Actions:
- Do Mapped Key: FTL Assist Me, Target: Current Window
- Do Mapped Key: Melee IWT, Target: Group (All Of) Melee [or whatever you called the ATG, from the first step.]

Step 2
Actions:
- Do Mapped Key: FTL Assist Me, Target: Current Window
- Send "1" to all windows.

I set this up exactly, even with the ATG, and it doesn't work.






HALP!

EDIT - what I've been doing is hitting my dps keys (don't have any others set up like this, since 1 doesn't work) and mixing in my Interact w Target keymap; that is based off a key press of the Home button, which triggers the InteractwT key map. Thus, I know the InteractwT key map, noted above, works.

[Noids]

Action Target Groups screw my toons up for some reason.

This is the second team I'm adding in ISBoxer. The first don't have a ATG. If I have my repeater disabled on the first team and hit the jump key, well, the repeater is off so the other toons don't jump. Only the first. WITH the ATG, all the toons jump, regardless of my repeater being disabled or not. All key sends are sent - which makes chatting and such impossible. Any idea?



I set this up exactly, even with the ATG, and it doesn't work.






HALP!

EDIT - what I've been doing is hitting my dps keys (don't have any others set up like this, since 1 doesn't work) and mixing in my Interact w Target keymap; that is based off a key press of the Home button, which triggers the InteractwT key map. Thus, I know the InteractwT key map, noted above, works.

If Home is your hotkey for your IWT mapped key have you tried replacing the second action of the first step with calling the keyboard command "Home" with the target being your melee character?

I can't think why your ATGs aren't working properly. It almost sounds like you have a new keymap set up which is not part of your keymap toggle switch. If you setup an ATG an add your melee toons to it, this should not change your keymaps at all. Try doing this without changing any of your mapped keys first and see if it affects anything. If it does not, then try adding a new key using your melee ATG as the target and see what happens?

[thedreameater]

If Home is your hotkey for your IWT mapped key have you tried replacing the second action of the first step with calling the keyboard command "Home" with the target being your melee character?

I can't think why your ATGs aren't working properly. It almost sounds like you have a new keymap set up which is not part of your keymap toggle switch. If you setup an ATG an add your melee toons to it, this should not change your keymaps at all. Try doing this without changing any of your mapped keys first and see if it affects anything. If it does not, then try adding a new key using your melee ATG as the target and see what happens?

When I press Home, ISBoxer sends End to all my toons. End is set up to IWT in game. You're suggesting I send End to my toons, right? Wouldn't the target to be my current windows target, ie assist? Gonna try this as soon as I get home, solid idea (but not what Ualaa set up, which confuses me how it works for everyone else).

As for the ATG, I wonder if that is the origin of all my problems. I'm going to export my isboxer file and start fresh; see if that works.

Another question: when I have them target and unmoving target dummy and spam IWT they circle it like rabid dogs. If I do this to a mob, they tend to scatter and run off into random directions. Is this because of a combination of click to move and the mob moving? Is there a way to prevent it? Currently, I just hit follow to pull them back and hit IWT again to have them face the mob.

Thanks!

[Ualaa]

A little confused with Necrotic Strikes, which you say will be applied approximately 8 times in every 10 second window.

You're basically staggering them, so they're evenly spaced.
And then going Howling Blast and Frost Strike.
With the Mindfreeze thrown in every 2.5 seconds?

[Mosg2]

@Ualaa:
That's exactly how my IWT keys work. PvP keyset has IWT on all keypresses, PvE does not. I then just have a toggle button.

As to how my DPS key works, let me try and explain in more detail:

When I press Spacebar down, it sends IWT and F9 to my DK's. F9 is HB. On release of Spacebar it sends IWT and Shift-F9, Alt-F9, Ctrl-F9, Shift/Alt-F9, Shift/Alt/Ctrl-F9, and Ctrl/Alt-F9 to the DK's. Those buttons are more HB's, Frost Strikes, and the Plague Strike/Blood Strike castsequence.

I then vary the number of times the same ability appears on the Modifier+F9 series on my action bar so that an ability is "preferred" more or less. For instance, HB is on downpress PLUS two of them are on release so that HB should, almost without exception, go off before any other ability. Then there are two Frost Strikes and only one PS/BS macro--This is because I would always rather FS than PS/BS due to Runic Empowerment.

My Mind Freeze works like this: I have a 4-step key that gets pressed every time I hit Spacebar down. However, it has the "Only advance to next step after XX seconds" box clicked so that no matter how fast I spam it, it will only go to the next step until 2.5 seconds have elapsed. This works because Mind Freeze is off the GCD and costs zero RP--So, I get a MF every 2.5-2.6 seconds (I spam Spacebar 2.5 times a second or so).

It's 5:32am and I just got up because my wife woke up with a cramp in her leg haha. I hope I was coherent enough--I'll check back in in a few hours

Edit: I am going to find a way with ISBoxer to make it prefer Necrotic Strike but still alternate it a bit so that over a period of say, 30+ seconds one character is always doing NS every GCD without having it go in clumps--ie, everyone opens with HB, HB, and then NS. I want 3x HB/1 NS, 3x HB/1 NS, 3x FS/1 NS etc etc. I'll figure something out