Mosg2's DK Manifesto

[Mosg2]

Honestly the biggest change to this team comes from... Wait for it...

The nerfs to Ring of Frost.

The HB change isn't that bad. You gain a 12% damage increase to your main target, you are now much more immune to CC, and you don't have to worry about getting RoF'd to death all the time. I'll totally trade that for the AE pressure that HB lost. The nerf to NS was totally justifiable--2's and 3's were pretty crazy.

Also, Unholy is looking better. Now that NS gives you Desecration... Hmmm 4x splash Leap/Gnaw combos are dancing like sugar plums in my head.

The changes to Paladins are, in a word, awesome. The mastery change is amazing and the talent change may make the Paladins a great choice. Only time will tell.

[outdrsyguy1]

I feel like the HB change is a pretty big nerf honestly. It's usually a huge percentage of my damage at the end of any match. I also play with a holy priest, so the spirit of redemption glyph nerf really hurts, before I had 21 secs of healing... now it's 15. Course the buffs to shield and desperate prayer might help a little, but i tend to really just get locked down so bad i could have another 50k health and i'm not sure it would matter.

I am loving the bloodlust nerf though, wiz cleave teams had freaking insane burst from it. Even with 125k health and 3k resil, my dk could easily be dead before I even noticed.

[Mercbeast]

I am faction changing to alliance tonight and my obvious choice was human, but then I saw the Draenei racial change and it got me to thinking. My paladin always gets targeted first. 5 of those HoT's ticking away on my Paladin, or anyone who is about to go down is a decent amount of emergency healing.

In arena at least this could be game changing. What do you guys think, would the new HoT mechanic for Draenei make this a worthwhile pick over free PvP trinket on humans?

Oh, and I am transferring because I can't stand 15 minute BG queues anymore, even though I've all but finished my honor grind, for future groups I can't deal with it despite loving my sweet sweet AT.

[Mosg2]

@HB damage nerf:
Yes, you lose splash damage. Yes, this means you'll probably be going for other stats than mastery. You know what? Who cares. My single-target DPS is *insane*. The fact that overall it's going UP means I have even less need of target swapping and making use of the damage from HB.

We now are basically immune to CC for the first 7-10 seconds of a match. You can't be feared, rooted, polymorphed, horror'd or snared. You can be disarmed, that's it. With the single-target DPS we have this means at least one person is just going to melt.

Buck up everyone These changes are great for us overall!

[Ualaa]

HB is still a long range, large area of effect, snare/debuff.

It hasn't even changed yet, but will hit the primary target as hard as ever.
So our ability to down the primary target won't change much, if at all.
Especially with the 12% increase to damage with a two-hander.

The loss of Bloodlust/Heroism or the equivalent for the opposition makes a lot of teams easier.
And the Frost Circle nerf, makes the most annoying caster a lot easier too.

[Kromtor]

any nerf to aoe damage - even to frost DK's is a buff to melee boxed teams. i've been getting hit with 12-14k dps (in an arena thats insane) frost DK's due to HB's craziness and can't spread out to avoid it like a normal team. the 12% damage bonus for 2 handers is substantial.

that being said after testing it myself I think you're overestimating the power of this comp, mosg2. it may feel powerful compared to previous seasons, however, you have to remember that if you enter a 5's season early and prepared it's pretty easy to initially do well. i was #1 on my BG with a 90% win ratio in the first few weeks but that slowed down quickly as the pro 5's teams started throwing their hats in after first gearing up in the more populated 2's and 3's divisions. this 5's season is in it's infancy stages and i predict we won't see any top teams running just 1 healer without uber CC.

[Shodokan]

any nerf to aoe damage - even to frost DK's is a buff to melee boxed teams. i've been getting hit with 12-14k dps (in an arena thats insane) frost DK's due to HB's craziness and can't spread out to avoid it like a normal team. the 12% damage bonus for 2 handers is substantial.

that being said after testing it myself I think you're overestimating the power of this comp, mosg2. it may feel powerful compared to previous seasons, however, you have to remember that if you enter a 5's season early and prepared it's pretty easy to initially do well. i was #1 on my BG with a 90% win ratio in the first few weeks but that slowed down quickly as the pro 5's teams started throwing their hats in after first gearing up in the more populated 2's and 3's divisions. this 5's season is in it's infancy stages and i predict we won't see any top teams running just 1 healer without uber CC.

Depends on your battlegroup. If you were on emberstorm you'd have been top 2 for sure.

WE may be overestimating the team, but paladins are certainly no better, and nor are ferals. You'd have to play a multi-class team to get everything to function the way you want like zug did and that requires a 2nd person for healing. But this team is extremely powerful, especially fully geared. Also you have to realize, you are the ONLY person to be truly successful with the dk/ret team, and blizzard is not going to keep resil the way it is i don't think, it will get nerfed like it happened to you mid season before either.

The whole point is to have fun. I honestly think that getting glad on any boxing team in 5's is nearly impossible playing by yourself, but as you are the only person to get to 2500+ with your team i guess you'd be the person to take advice from in that regard.

[Mosg2]

If the IBF changes go live then the DK team has 7 seconds once they charge in where they are immune to every form of CC in the game. I can burn a 3k+ resilience target to the ground in that amount of time, even through healing.

I never expected this team to be able to get Gladiator solo before Cata hit--After playing them geared at 85 though I'm positive that it's doable.

[Kromtor]

If the IBF changes go live then the DK team has 7 seconds once they charge in where they are immune to every form of CC in the game. I can burn a 3k+ resilience target to the ground in that amount of time, even through healing.

I never expected this team to be able to get Gladiator solo before Cata hit--After playing them geared at 85 though I'm positive that it's doable.

i do still have my pally goggles on. when they pop a defensive cooldown i have to change targets whereas with a priest you don't. 7 seconds doesnt seem like long when you're switching targets. i also am not geared properly at all - but i've tried to take these things into consideration when making my assessment. i definitely want to see a solo boxer get gladiator so let's hope i'm wrong.

[remanz]

Not to be negative in this, but how to reach gladiator with a 50-60% winning ratio. What Kromtor did with DK + 4rets is as closed as it gets as I see it.

So we go 50-50 in most of the matches. That is no where near gladiator. Heck I'd be jumping up and down if we can reach 2200.

If your MMR and your real ratings meet at 1800, I think that's it. You are likely to get 100-200 more. You are not going higher than 2000.


basically, you won't all of sudden one day start winning more than you do now.