Mosg2's DK Manifesto

[Mercbeast]

disagree on which part , x4 dk spamming HB => NS => FS => BS can kill a holy paladin in 3 seconds ?

I can tell you up front. That's not going to happen.

Perhaps not but it is all relative. Nobody is going to blow a paladin up in 3 seconds period. Judging the effectiveness of a class based on an impossible proposition is silly. However in addition to Paladins being essentially insta unjackable, the changes in burst and health are relative.

The overall DPS you can put out with DK's combined with plate survivability, insane control oh and a significant portion of that DPS is ranged and it snares. A Paladin might not die in 3s, a mage might not die in 3s (frost and on the ball) but most other high priority targets will.

Now, if the Paladin just stands there, he will go down pretty darn quick, and we can help push that 'just standing there' thing along with strangulate and we can chain 4.

[Ualaa]

If you disregard Necrotic Strike, a single Frost DK cannot DPS a Holy Pally down.
Could four Frost DK's, without Necrotic Strike DPS a single Holy Pally down?
Or would the healing from one toon outheal the DPS from four, at least as long as mana lasts?

[Mercbeast]

If you disregard Necrotic Strike, a single Frost DK cannot DPS a Holy Pally down.
Could four Frost DK's, without Necrotic Strike DPS a single Holy Pally down?
Or would the healing from one toon outheal the DPS from four, at least as long as mana lasts?

I think even worse than a holy paladin is a prot paladin. 1v1 a DK isn't going to kill one period ;p I'm still considering a prot pali team driven by a DK. Not really as a backup, but to be different and to be extremely annoying in BG's ;p

[remanz]

Like i said, best bet is to target a warlock.

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=62618 is not going to be good for melee teams.


with 4 dk + 1 healer, and dks last long enough to down the target with healing of their own is possible. Basically, put the other side's healer behind on healing, and you kill your target slowly. This is very possible. But if you leave the other 4 targets free for too long, they start to CC your healer + your DKs.

and

I just assume there is no prod. If there is, ignore him and kill others.

[Mercbeast]

Like i said, best bet is to target a warlock.

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=62618 is not going to be good for melee teams.


with 4 dk + 1 healer, and dks last long enough to down the target with healing of their own is possible. Basically, put the other side's healer behind on healing, and you kill your target slowly. This is very possible. But if you leave the other 4 targets free for too long, they start to CC your healer + your DKs.

and

I just assume there is no prod. If there is, ignore him and kill others.

Can you not grip your target out of there?

[Ualaa]

The other thing is, with four toons dealing DPS, we can down one toon in two globals or so.
Our toons should then survive at least four attacks, and possibly not fall until the eighth attack.

Battlegrounds, like Wintergrasp/Tol Barad are going to be more hectic than arena.
Imbalanced sides will be the norm, both in our favor and not.

I'd think the increased durability of toons in general, favors boxers more then non-boxers.
And we still have the edge in coordination of burst, whether we down someone in 2 or 5 GCD's.

[Nisch]

That HealerMain/TankAlt is how I did boxing in Aion and it worked out really well. I hadn't tried it in WoW as I hadn't re-upped my accounts, but I like the idea. Nice vid

[remanz]

My friend's mage hit level 85. and he did some instances and some brief pvp.

He has about 100k hp in quest blue and normal level 85 dungeon drop, non-pvp gear, unbuffed. With pvp gear, it will be around 110-120k hp as Fat mentioned, may be even more.

There are a couple things concerning stats currently happening.

My friend's mage was doing 10k dps at level 80. When he hits 85, as now, he is doing 6k dps. His haste/hit/crit all below 10%. and Healers go OOM all the time (good news I guess), in both pvp and pve. The mana cost went way up for healing spells.

Time to zerg in pvp

[Mosg2]

I'm here to confirm that Necrotic Strike puts up an individual debuff for each character doing NS and... It stacks with itself. If you NS twice in a row it just adds the second amount to the first.

Going now to test if when I heal it removes healing from each debuff or just one.

[Shodokan]

so you hit 83? grats!

and i fucking told you guys lol