Hardware solutions that won’t break the bank?

[Sajuuk]

I'm not a fan of software because of that grey area that exist with the TOS about it. Additionally I dislike the idea of using software that isn't fully vetted (I never even used add-ons, mods or vent during the time of me playing). If however there is a professional grade type of software (like some sort of network or surveillance ones that I hear a handful of people use), I might consider that.

Okay, you don't want "grey area", nor have you used addons, yet you want to multibox? What are you worried about, sensitive data being stolen? If you're so worried about the data, DON'T USE THAT COMPUTER FOR NON-SECURE STUFF. The fact you want to multibox (a grey area with players, it's tolerated by blizzard) is hilarious. Get your priorities straight, then use your head.

You don't want to use software because of a 'gray area' - use the grey matter between your ears and then MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT IS OKAY. Follow the general rule: one action = one keypress per character.


Think it out some more. Software is the most economical way to do it.

[Ishar]

Eh. I'm a hardware boxer that uses software. (keyclone). Cause of some additional functionality...which I haven't been taking advantages of. (lazy me). If I take the plunge to 10boxing though, it will come in handy. /shrug. I like the fact that I have a vetra to fall back on, though. its a nice feeling =p. If i switched games, wouldn't have to wait for someone to make software that works wtih whatever....

If I didn't already have 1k or so sunk into vetra's...i might reconsider. That said, theres no cheap way to do 'hardware'. beyond perhaps a wireless kb and syncing 5 recievers to it, lol.

[ParanoidPenguin333]

Perhaps I should have been more explicit in my title on the post – but it’s also why I posted under the hardware forum and not software one. I’m looking for a cheaper alternative under the hardware route.

As to Sajuuk’s comment, I don’t know where the hostility is coming from, the gray area I speak of is the part where my accounts (time and money spent) can get ban and/or hacked. Any software route can trigger the Warden in game. Hardware won’t do that because it doesn’t modify anything in the computer memory.

You’re free to have your own views, but I don’t see your logic as far as gray area as it pertains to the interactions with other player (players can’t ban me, GM can). In fact I’m multibox’ing so I don’t have to deal with other players.

As far as sensitive information, I work in finance, a hardware solution would allow me to trade on multi client accounts at the same time (in some situations where timing and pricing is important). While I could hotswap harddrives if this was only for WoW, I will NOT log on to a client account with software solution, hence why I need a hardware solution.

[Ualaa]

It's your option whether you use software or not.

However, I wouldn't refer to software boxing as a gray area. A monumental number of people box, and don't get banned for it.

Hardware boxing doesn't reduce the risk of being hacked, at least compared to software boxing. If you were to play warcraft exclusively on the PC (hardware or software), never use that system for email or web browsing, you wouldn't be exposed to keyloggers or the like. Using your B.Net email as a log in for a warcraft related site can compromise your security, and that has nothing to do with whether you hardware or software box.

A GM can without reason ban you for hardware boxing as easily as software boxing. If you stick to the rules of the game, you're not going to get banned for software or hardware boxing. There are thousands of registered users of this site and the other boxing site, and no one has complained about being banned.

If you want hardware for your boxing, go for it. Just everything game related, as to why you would hardware box and not software box comes off as pretty irrelevant.

[Sajuuk]

Perhaps I should have been more explicit in my title on the post – but it’s also why I posted under the hardware forum and not software one. I’m looking for a cheaper alternative under the hardware route.

As to Sajuuk’s comment, I don’t know where the hostility is coming from, the gray area I speak of is the part where my accounts (time and money spent) can get ban and/or hacked. Any software route can trigger the Warden in game. Hardware won’t do that because it doesn’t modify anything in the computer memory.

You’re free to have your own views, but I don’t see your logic as far as gray area as it pertains to the interactions with other player (players can’t ban me, GM can). In fact I’m multibox’ing so I don’t have to deal with other players.
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We've been using keyclone/innerspace/other solutions for YEARS without an issue UNLESS we've gone out of our way to do something outside the rules.

As far as sensitive information, I work in finance, a hardware solution would allow me to trade on multi client accounts at the same time (in some situations where timing and pricing is important). While I could hotswap harddrives if this was only for WoW, I will NOT log on to a client account with software solution, hence why I need a hardware solution

Just for clarification: trading stocks and such on multiple client accounts at the same time? Interesting.

And regarding the 'hostility', I think it's ridiculous for someone so concerned with gray area to even consider multiboxing, which itself is a grey area. Seems...contradictory. People who get banned actively and willfully exploit the game or cause grief to other players.

[ParanoidPenguin333]

I have to disagree with you on your second to final point Ualaa

I was orginally considering ISBoxer until I starting to read these forums. There has been situation (rather the players are describing the situation truthfully or correctly is another matter) where the players couldn't figure out why they were ban or hacked other than than the variable of using software for multibox'ing

[Sajuuk]

I have to disagree with you on your second to final point Ualaa

I was orginally considering ISBoxer until I starting to read these forums. There has been situation (rather the players are describing the situation truthfully or correctly is another matter) where the players couldn't figure out why they were ban or hacked other than than the variable of using software for multibox'ing

If the remote possibility scares you, don't even bother. There's risk for everything. You MIGHT get banned if you do exploit the software, if you automate, or something else. It's not hard for someone to look at a multiboxer and say "oh look, he's multiboxing", not "oh look a software boxer", instead of "oh look a hardware boxer". There are methods blizzard could use to determine if you are using software or not, but they'll still know you're multiboxing.


IF they want to, they will know that you're multiboxing, and could ban you for it at any time.


again, if the possibility of a ban scares you, no matter how remote, don't do it.

[ParanoidPenguin333]

to Sajuuk:

I don't think we are not using 'grey area' under the same definition, I'm referring to TOS wording of what is considering a third party software, i can link the blue post from the WoW forum if I can locate it again, but it was a very lenghty discussion from a while back.

As far as Hardware solution, it doesn't modify how the software behaves where by adhereing to TOS requirements

And yes trading stocks, trading platforms disallows multi "windows" to be open at the same time to trade anything. FINRA has strict regulation on the trading platform/software (we are talking instutional software, not things like scottrade) so the end user doesn't do something like front running or double sale orders. This affectively forces anyone that is trading to work on one account at a time (be it a mere fraction of a second or hours). Depending on what trading strag you use, you may or may not using price and/or time as a trigger. Without getting totally off topic or into econ, hardware solution is the only solution that is viable that would allow me to increase throughtput of trades WITHOUT an extra later of software inferface.

[Sajuuk]

to Sajuuk:

I don't think we are not using 'grey area' under the same definition, I'm referring to TOS wording of what is considering a third party software, i can link the blue post from the WoW forum if I can locate it again, but it was a very lenghty discussion from a while back.

As far as Hardware solution, it doesn't modify how the software behaves where by adhereing to TOS requirements

TOS wording aside, a good rule that's been supported by blues is the 1-1 rule: "1 keypress = 1 action per character", to that means I myself only used isboxer for window switching, and key modifiers/key repeating across clients. I kept my macros in game. That was how I used the software. It depends on how you use it. You're the one who limits yourself.

And yes trading stocks, trading platforms disallows multi "windows" to be open at the same time to trade anything. FINRA has strict regulation on the trading platform/software (we are talking instutional software, not things like scottrade) so the end user doesn't do something like front running or double sale orders. This affectively forces anyone that is trading to work on one account at a time (be it a mere fraction of a second or hours). Depending on what trading strag you use, you may or may not using price and/or time as a trigger. Without getting totally off topic or into econ, hardware solution is the only solution that is viable that would allow me to increase throughtput of trades WITHOUT an extra later of software inferface.

Neat. That said as someone into finance/economics I would hope you would view it as an actual investment meant to be payed back over time, not as one loss. Since you ARE working on finance you'd want to do more research so you get the most reliable solution possible.

[ParanoidPenguin333]

Just to put the gray area discussion to a rest (this is from a blue):

Q u o t e:
Semantics issue #2:
Software (such as Keyclone, Octopus, etc) to emulate a keyboard multiboxing solution is, by nature, "3rd party". Is "3rd party software" synonymous with "bot" or "automation"? Are all types of "3rd party software" bannable?
Likewise, hardware, by nature, is "3rd party". What kinds (or uses) of 3rd party hardware are bannable?

Is it sending an identical signal to all client windows or switching between them to send commands? Not automation.
Is it playing the game for you, or rather, for one of your client windows? Automation.
All hardware is considered neutral as long as its commands and features are not being used to automate gameplay.

"All hardware is considered neutral"

the software CAN be (not saying it will be) a banable offense

So by extention of logic...if one option is zero percent of getting ban, where has another option has a small (while extremely small), I'll stick with the one that has zero chance.

Logic by example, doctor tells you one medicine has zero chance of any side effect, another has a small, but an existing chance to kill you. I think any rational person would pick the first choice if given both options. Hopefully this clarify why I make my case (other than my work use) of wanting to use only hardware