Hardware solutions that won’t break the bank?

[ParanoidPenguin333]

Just to put the gray area discussion to a rest (this is from a blue):

Q u o t e:
Semantics issue #2:
Software (such as Keyclone, Octopus, etc) to emulate a keyboard multiboxing solution is, by nature, "3rd party". Is "3rd party software" synonymous with "bot" or "automation"? Are all types of "3rd party software" bannable?
Likewise, hardware, by nature, is "3rd party". What kinds (or uses) of 3rd party hardware are bannable?

Is it sending an identical signal to all client windows or switching between them to send commands? Not automation.
Is it playing the game for you, or rather, for one of your client windows? Automation.
All hardware is considered neutral as long as its commands and features are not being used to automate gameplay.

"All hardware is considered neutral"

the software CAN be (not saying it will be) a banable offense

So by extention of logic...if one option is zero percent of getting ban, where has another option has a small (while extremely small), I'll stick with the one that has zero chance.

Logic by example, doctor tells you one medicine has zero chance of any side effect, another has a small, but an existing chance to kill you. I think any rational person would pick the first choice if given both options. Hopefully this clarify why I make my case (other than my work use) of wanting to use only hardware

[ParanoidPenguin333]

to Sajuuk

I am doing research now, my default option is vetra, I'm here to see if there are better options that I don't know about. Part of finance is about optimizing...if I can do the same job for 100 bucks than with 700...I'll obviously pick the 100 one

[Sajuuk]

Well good luck to you.

[daanji]

Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have ourselves a troll.

I congratulate you, penguin, for getting everyone defensive.

As for me, I use isboxer. I used to do hardware boxing, but clost and limitations drove me nuts. Honestly, I would at least try a software solution first and see how you like it.

With Isboxer, you can be up and running in 10 minutes.

[Ualaa]

A quick question...

Do you use an operating system?
That is neither you nor Blizzard, and therefore a third party software.
For that matter, so are the drivers in your mouse.
If you want to stay away from 3rd party stuff, don't use that either.

Seems pretty silly to me.

If you abuse the system, which is mainly through pushing one key and having it do something now, and after a bit of time without further input, it does something else and possibly makes intelligent (at least as far as its script/programming goes) decisions, etc.
Well that kind of thing can get your account into trouble.
A G15 keyboard, which is hardware could get you multiple outputs with timed delays, all as the result of one key press.



Not sure why I'm bothering.
You're not going to use software, and that is fine.

Just don't want people who actually are interested in boxing to find this... and feel software is a bad way to go.
Do a search for people who were banned because of boxing software.
I've been an active member of both boxing forums for quite a while, and have not seen a single post where someone says they were banned because of using software.

I have seen a few posts regarding bans.
None of those were a result of software, and actually if they had been hardware boxers the result would have been the same.
I've had several private messages, where someone says... hey saw your post on making lots of gold through transmutes and was wondering if you can help tell me how to sell gold...
And guess what, that kind of activity will get you banned eventually, and it is not a result of using software or hardware as your boxing medium.

[Owltoid]

Please lock this thread. While I'm willing to think Penguin has good intentions, this paranoia regarding boxing being banable isn't good for the community and only makes newcomers feel less safe. We all know boxing with software is legit and there's no reason to continually defend it. If Penquin wants a hardware solution then more power to him - there are plenty of old threads for him to read.

[ParanoidPenguin333]

To Fenril

I’m not sure why you’re asking me to post threads (don’t know if someone is trying to sucker me into arguing with them). So before someone else starts calling me a troll again or forcing me to play lawyer and post each and every blue post as the literal dissection of adherence to TOS, I’m just going to say look at the forums on worldofwarcraft and/or google and search glider bot and blizzard. They will lead you down a pool of information that I came across pertaining to software solutions. Some information you can encounter can be slander so I won’t repeat them here. I’ll let you do your own due diligence.

While the start of this thread was helpful (and I want to thank those that were helpful at the start), it’s gone too long and way off topic. I’ve already articulated my points in a logical fashion but people still won’t accept the parameters I’ve described were important to me. At no point did I say OTHER people can’t go software, it’s just not something I’m willing to do.

I think the only analogy I can make to this thread is thusly (and hopefully this time around people understand where I’m coming from):

Guy goes into a car dealership, and tells sales guy he would like a pick up – so can you recommend any. Sales guy said minivans are better, Guy saids yes, they can hold more people, but I work construction and don’t need a minivan. Sales guy saids how about a roadster? Guy saids yes they are fast and they are shiny, but I can’t use it for work. Sales guy turns around and saids you’re an idiot, no one gets pick ups, everyone has either minivans or roasters.

Moral of the story? At no point did I say you folks can’t use software and love it. It’s just not something for me, especially when I state as plain as day that I want a hardware alternative.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Ya know, I might just still have my old wireless keyboards I used to hardware box with lying around somewhere. Aside from a patina of dust, they should still work. PM me if you're interested in following up on that as a really cheap option.

[MiRai]

To Fenril

I’m not sure why you’re asking me to post threads (don’t know if someone is trying to sucker me into arguing with them). So before someone else starts calling me a troll again or forcing me to play lawyer and post each and every blue post as the literal dissection of adherence to TOS, I’m just going to say look at the forums on worldofwarcraft and/or google and search glider bot and blizzard. They will lead you down a pool of information that I came across pertaining to software solutions. Some information you can encounter can be slander so I won’t repeat them here. I’ll let you do your own due diligence.

Okay, so you're basing all of this off of something that is over 2 years old? It isn't some dark secret that
InnerSpace holds tight and won't let out into the light of day, Lax has openly explained numerous times
on numerous message boards about those days [guess you missed all of those posts and just picked
out the bad ones]. If you're going to base not using InnerSpace on its past [which it wasn't even
InnerSpace, it was an addon created for use on the InnerSpace platform], then so be it. But please don't
come to these forums as a brand new member and vaguely mention how you read something about
some software being in the gray area without any recent up-to-date proof, links, or whatever
else. A vast majority of the multiboxing community use Innerspace/ISBoxer on a daily basis, have used it
for many, many years without any problems, and will continue to use it without any paranoia in the
future.

We see these posts pop up once every few months on these boards, about the legality of ISBoxer, and
its users defend it every single time. Why? We stand behind InnerSpace and ISBoxer because it truly is
the best, most versatile, software solution for multiboxing to date. Numerous hardware boxers have
tested, and switched to, ISBoxer because of how much easier it really is. Lax also provides some of the
most amazing support for his software, which is all included, at the measly price of $36/year. I can
guarantee ISBoxer's users are not mindless slaves getting paid by the author to poison the community
about how great it really is, we do it for free. The people in this thread who mentioned to you to use
ISBoxer instead of going with a hardware solution, were really only trying to save you from headaches.

[Whowantstoknow]

To Fenril
Guy goes into a car dealership, and tells sales guy he would like a pick up – so can you recommend any. Sales guy said minivans are better, Guy saids yes, they can hold more people, but I work construction and don’t need a minivan. Sales guy saids how about a roadster? Guy saids yes they are fast and they are shiny, but I can’t use it for work. Sales guy turns around and saids you’re an idiot, no one gets pick ups, everyone has either minivans or roasters.

Analogy is wrong. Better analogy is that everyone here is telling you to use the Pickup because its better for the intended use but you stubbonly wont listen to that advice because you think using pickups is illegal.

Software is not illegal (that would be like saying your OS or mouse drivers were illegal) but can be used illegally ie ISX glider etc.

Hardware is not illegal but can be used illegally G15 macroes.

Blues have confirmed software is legal as long as you are not automating anything.

Choosing Hardware over Software is fine and perfectly acceptable but do it for the right reasons