Window Management with 3+ clients

[Whowantstoknow]

Pretty sure that what you are wanting works fine in ISBoxer because ISBoxer handles the windows completely differently to Keyclone ie the minimised windows are all rendered at the same resolution as the main. You can use the windows management to display your windows however you want and still render the windows at whatever res you need however i think most people using ISBoxer for both Wow and Eve use one large window and mutliple minimised windows as per this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEvezuymfsc

[Ualaa]

Not sure on whether IS works with Eve.
I know it works differently then all of the other boxing softwares.

You launch through Inner Space.
Which can then make the game think a window is the focus, so the mouse can work there.. even if the window is not the focus.
The game might think it is rendering the client at whatever resolution, etc.

I'd suggest asking Lax.
He's probably the only one who can give you a definitive answer.
Aside from a couple of games in alpha or closed beta, I've not seen a game which cannot be run on IS; once Lax gets a copy of the game, it usually works pretty quickly thereafter.

[kenphillips]

Ok, here's the link to what's turned me off to ISBoxer/InnerSpace: http://www.lavishsoft.com/wiki/index...xer:EVE_Online

Under Known Issues (and the section is in BOLD "When creating a Window Layout, the Main Window size must match the in-game resolution selected by EVE. Otherwise, there will be mouse cursor issues."

This means, for monitors which support a max resolution less than 2048x1536, one EVE client per monitor, or, for monitors that support 2048x1536 resolution or greater, a maximum of four EVE clients per monitor, with full mouse capability. Unless I'm mistaken?

This is, of course, unless the page I linked isn't maintained and/or something has changed with ISBoxer/InnerSpace. I'm also in the process of PM'ing Lax. Thanks Ualaa!

[Ualaa]

I don't read a maximum of one client per window from that.

Take my monitor: 2560x1600.
I'm running five warcraft clients at 1680x1050.
If warcraft was set to run at 1680x1050, and that is also the resolution of the main window...
I'd still have space elsewhere on my monitor for the slave/alt windows.

The slave/alt windows will be rendered at the same resolution as the main window.
But they don't have to be the same physical size on your monitor as the main window.
Eve will think each window is 1680x1050, but only the main window will actually have that size.

[kenphillips]

Breakin' it down Barney-style

The reason it's one client per monitor for monitor resolutions less than 2048x1536 is as follows:
The client resolution and window resolution must be the SAME for full mouse functionality!

Since EVE's minimum client resolution is 1024x768, the window resolution for this client, in a multiple client per monitor setup, is also 1024x768. On monitors that don't support a 2048x1536 resolution, multiple clients per monitor is impossible without overlap since the monitor lacks the screen real-estate to display all clients in the foreground at once.

Hence, you can only have one client per monitor at monitor resolutions less than 2048x1536. Unless my logic is flawed, as I don't have a monitor that supports this resolution.

Also, I realize this type of window management works in WoW. But it doesn't work in EVE. This is because the client res and the window res are not required to be the same in WoW. Please refrain from using WoW examples of window management in this thread.

[ShadowKntSDS]

Breakin' it down Barney-style

The reason it's one client per monitor for monitor resolutions less than 2048x1536 is as follows:
The client resolution and window resolution must be the SAME for full mouse functionality!

Since EVE's minimum client resolution is 1024x768, the window resolution for this client, in a multiple client per monitor setup, is also 1024x768. On monitors that don't support a 2048x1536 resolution, multiple clients per monitor is impossible without overlap since the monitor lacks the screen real-estate to display all clients in the foreground at once.

Hence, you can only have one client per monitor at monitor resolutions less than 2048x1536. Unless my logic is flawed, as I don't have a monitor that supports this resolution.

Also, I realize this type of window management works in WoW. But it doesn't work in EVE. This is because the client res and the window res are not required to be the same in WoW. Please refrain from using WoW examples of window management in this thread.

With IS, the clients will run @ 1024x768, but IS shrinks what get displayed. I've run 3 EVE clients with IS before on one screen, and my monitor res is 1920x1080. IS will run the clients natively at what ever res the client is setup to run, but will sample the output to give a display for the slaves at w/e resolution you want. I say sample, because there is no smoothing and th scaling is very crude for speed purposes. It is true that the main window has to take up 1024x768, but slaves just need to take up space in the same aspect ratio. They will be at 1024x768 as far as eve is concerned. The really only lends itself to setups where the main window takes up 90% of the screen and the slaves take up a small fraction each.

You can NOT have a master on one screen at 1080p and a slave a on a 2nd monitor at 1680x1050 and have mouse broadcasting working. You can however have the master at 1080p, and multiple slaves each rendering at 1080p, but displayed in a smaller res window on the 2nd monitor (say 4 slaves taking up 840x525 each). All clients would be running at 1080p, so mouse broadcasting would work.

EVE is a bit of a PITA because it does not inherently support arbitrary resolutions, or dynamic resizing (yet). It only allows resolutions that you vid drivers report. For example, if you wanted 3 client, where one is 1920x720 and 2x slaves at 860x360 below the main (to completely fill a 1080p screen), you would need to register 1920x720 as valid resolution with your video drivers, and then set all of your clients to run at that res.

[Whowantstoknow]

Unless my logic is flawed.

Yes it is.

Your logic is the reason Keyclone wont work but ISBoxer is completely different. I dont think we can convince you of this until you try it for yourself though. Go grab a free 7 day trial and see for yourself.

[kenphillips]

Finally, someone with inside knowledge and experience from the EVE Universe. I got a 120 coming up, so I'll try this out then (that's 5-days off in-a-row for you civies). And no, my logic still isn't flawed, whowantstoknow. My data may be corrupt , but my logic is spot-on! Looks like the EVE page on IS needs to be updated some.

[Lax]

Sorry to thread necro, whether ISBoxer is allowed in EVE or not has been addressed by CCP for a while now. Kromtor got a 3 day suspension, specifically for using ISBoxer, which was reversed after he made that elaborate rig with wooden dowels and several mice and posted pictures for everyone. The "Is ISBoxer Allowed?" page specifically describes this and provides CCP's current stance on use of ISBoxer as given by Senior GM Lelouch. http://isboxer.com/index.php/is-isboxer-allowed. (Senior GM Lelouch's post: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard...41&page=10#274)

Here's a recent thread on the ISBoxer.com forums in the EVE section, which also includes a separate Senior GM's response to an inquiry that was answered wrong by a lower GM:
http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=884

Hi, senior GM Spiral here.

There has been some accidental misinformation in this case unfortunately. Senior GM Lelouch's post on the forums still stands as our official stance on the use of that program. The program in question is permitted to be used with EVE Online.

We do reserve the right to review this decision at a later date however.

Best regards,
Senior GM Spiral
EVE Online Customer Support Team

Ok Their was a post making a question about isboxer that's been show on youtube. Another GM posted It looks ok and we don't know it automates or not. So when I seen this post I replied to my ticket saying look I have 2 gm's saying I get banned then I seen this post and you guys don;t have a fucking clue. I pretty much got pissed off with misinformation about this.

So I had a GM saying a Senior GM will look into this and I get an answer. Their you have it Now I know where I stand with CCP but pretty pissed off GM Horse and co just dumb and saying shit they don;t know.

So just to clear that up, there is nothing wrong with using ISBoxer to multibox EVE Online; ISBoxer strictly adheres to the guidelines described by the senior GM.


For anyone looking for some resources on how to get started with EVE + ISBoxer, I am well aware there needs to be better information made easily available. The EVE section of the isboxer.com forums is a good place to start, and here's a thread with helpful info as well: http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=6