Boxing Rating BGs... gonna do it?

[thedreameater]

Just curious, since it's a pre-made game now and most pre-made teams will tear up a boxer.

Also, anyone having issues with BGs since 4.0.1? I suck something terrible, but no insta-GW means I can't gtfo of bad situations. Face me against 4 other players now and I'm getting wrecked. Might be because the arena season is over and all the good players are flexing their skill - but it's brutal.

[Mokoi]

nope, we are tanks with our resil now and the shield, the HP .. i don't die often anymore unless I get into a really bad situation.

rated BGs? yes. Boxers can also be supported by exceptional players as well, and it will still take equal numbers or more to take us down in Cata, and that leaves more room for our teammates to take control of maps etc.

[thedreameater]

I am just returning from a little SC2 summer break and need to get back into the swing. I think I put myself in bad situations by not hanging back enough. If I remember, even at top resil, shaman want to be in the back and not draw too much attention. 4x chain lightning will draw attention, but it is usually too late for them to act.

I also hang around a little too long and get caught alone.

4v3 I can get rocked, again, cause of better skilled players. Anything less than 3 is never an issue. That said, darn circle straifing rogues cause me headaches. I cant kill em cause they are always turning, earthquake x4 doesn't tickle them, and I usually spend so much time trying to off one their back up arrives and stomps me.

I really miss insta-GW. Its so hard getting away with Thunderstorm on cd.

[heyaz]

I'm not sure yet, but my sense is, it won't work out very well. It only takes a few decent players, or even a single annoying rogue or prot warrior to render your entire team useless. These are pugs. Against premades - I can't really do anything once they decide to take advantage of the multiboxer. And these teams won't even compare to the skill or coordination of a rated BG team.

In addition to how easily a multiboxer can be shut down, you also have the issue of the rest of the team either not supporting you as they would separate players, or playing in such a way that makes things even worse - for example by following you around on BGs like AB, trying to help you with DPS instead of healing, and generally just playing differently than they should. You would need a team that not only supported a multiboxer through healing and such, but also one that based its strategy around the fact that half the team is in one place. Why someone would support that kind of team rather than just get 4 separate players, I don't know. It was hard enough to get a good healer in arena before you were over 2K.

In my experience: WSG, AB, EOTS, and sometimes SOTA all have implications when there is a multiboxer; brute force and tons of firepower doesn't always make up for the disadvantages. It's only in AV and IOC that I can consistently do well regardless of what the rest of the team is doing.

[Littleburst]

I'm not sure yet, but my sense is, it won't work out very well. It only takes a few decent players, or even a single annoying rogue or prot warrior to render your entire team useless. These are pugs. Against premades - I can't really do anything once they decide to take advantage of the multiboxer. And these teams won't even compare to the skill or coordination of a rated BG team.

In addition to how easily a multiboxer can be shut down, you also have the issue of the rest of the team either not supporting you as they would separate players, or playing in such a way that makes things even worse - for example by following you around on BGs like AB, trying to help you with DPS instead of healing, and generally just playing differently than they should. You would need a team that not only supported a multiboxer through healing and such, but also one that based its strategy around the fact that half the team is in one place. Why someone would support that kind of team rather than just get 4 separate players, I don't know. It was hard enough to get a good healer in arena before you were over 2K.

In my experience: WSG, AB, EOTS, and sometimes SOTA all have implications when there is a multiboxer; brute force and tons of firepower doesn't always make up for the disadvantages. It's only in AV and IOC that I can consistently do well regardless of what the rest of the team is doing.

The idea of rated BG is that you also have a capable team. It's obvious that if you meet 10 people who have a clue vs clueless people + you that you'll lose. But asuming you got good people with you aswell, that shouldn't be the case.

I'm really looking forward to it actually and it will be my main occupation hopefully.

[Èlemental]

I will be partaking in Rated Battlegrounds. Currently I am enlisted in the largest PvP guild on blackrock alliance side, and the guild leader loves me for multiboxing (it helps him with his world PvP conquest). And I lead many premades within my guild and we rarely lose. I mean fifteen people on vent is cool, but lol 10 arena players on vent and a multiboxer, yeah that's cheating. >.<

[Ualaa]

It looks like Rated BG's will be premades to queue.

So, you could theoretically get 10 clueless people to queue with a 5-boxer.
But you could also get a team that plays to the strengths of boxers.
I'd like to queue as a 5-boxer, with one or two other 5-boxers... which will likely mean needing a server transfer; I've run into two or three other boxers during leveling/boosting, but haven't seen other boxers in a year or so on Cenarius-Alliance.

Also not sure if we can go rated-AV queue consistently.
Or if rated-Random will be a quick queue and anything else a lengthy queue.
If we can consistently only run large scale BG's (rated), that will make us more effective.

Another thing to consider.
Our top 'x' games in the week will count towards points.
So with a good team, you might cap on points in 12 matches.
And with a crap team of pugs, it might take 63 matches.
But either way, you cap on points and advance equally as far.
Also, because they're rated, if you consistently queue with crap teams, you'll face worse and worse opposition which should be easier to beat.

[Toned]

It looks like Rated BG's will be premades to queue.

So, you could theoretically get 10 clueless people to queue with a 5-boxer.
But you could also get a team that plays to the strengths of boxers.
I'd like to queue as a 5-boxer, with one or two other 5-boxers... which will likely mean needing a server transfer; I've run into two or three other boxers during leveling/boosting, but haven't seen other boxers in a year or so on Cenarius-Alliance.

Also not sure if we can go rated-AV queue consistently.
Or if rated-Random will be a quick queue and anything else a lengthy queue.
If we can consistently only run large scale BG's (rated), that will make us more effective.

Another thing to consider.
Our top 'x' games in the week will count towards points.
So with a good team, you might cap on points in 12 matches.
And with a crap team of pugs, it might take 63 matches.
But either way, you cap on points and advance equally as far.
Also, because they're rated, if you consistently queue with crap teams, you'll face worse and worse opposition which should be easier to beat.

TLDR; Transfer to US-Andorhal <Horde> IMO and come smash shit with me and reprisal.

[Barazanthul]

@Toned:

I am playing on an EU Realm ... so i cannot transfer to an US Realm.

[Littleburst]

The rated BG will be the call to arms BG. So it will be only 1 BG and change every week.