Paladin rotation problems and solutions

[Ualaa]

I would think, a macro which automatically casts a spell with a cooldown (Lava Burst, Exorcism, etc), every time it is available, without a conscious choice on our part... ie, we have coded the macro to auto cast at every opportunity.

Well that is further towards automation and having decisions made for us, then having an addon which color codes a button, which we still have to push on our own after deciding whether to push or not push.

[remanz]

Yeah fair enough. This was always my thinking also. I wasn't aware of the addons that suggested the best skill to hit next and highlighted it for you, which is what prompted me to start along this line of thinking.

Out of interest though Jaf, do you consider adding in a stopcasting macro for exo to be along the lines of taking away decision making? This seems to be a similar sort of issue to me (admittedly only one component of the rotn not the entire thing) where Blizz intends us to see the AoW proc and then hit Exo rather than be spamming a button which automatically fires off an exo only if AoW is up?

Huh, does stopcasting actually work? I thought it resets your auto swing timer. So you get the proc out, but lose a white swing.

Anyway, this is what you need for holy power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHUOcFcmHGM

pop the big ass picture in your slave window. when you see it, mash that TV button like no tomorrow.

[Khatovar]

Huh, does stopcasting actually work? I thought it resets your auto swing timer. So you get the proc out, but lose a white swing.

From what I read recently, /stopcasting doesn't reset the swing timer anymore, it simply delays it the duration of the cast. The problem with stopcasting in a fallthrough for melee is that it isn't instant. I have a little breakdown of some testing I did with it on an Enh Shaman and a Ret Paladin here.

[Noids]

Yeah stopcasting doesn't really work for me. If I work it into a macro I can go up to 10 seconds without actually getting an auto hit.

I have resigned myself to 3 separate buttons for the pallies at this stage. One is a FCFS rotation for holy power generating abilites which is my standard spam macro. I can maintain about 3.5k just spamming this macro ignoring AoW and holy power.

If I add in TV as a separate cast when all 4 pallys are loaded and same with Exo, I can sustain up to 4.8k dps.

Running a single pally manually hitting keys I can get 5.5-5.8k. The best castsequence I have come up with is 4-4.2k.

On a sidenote 4.0.3 Divine Storm has gone back to mana based with 4.5sec cooldown. Less damage than prevously but half the cooldown and some sweet sweet passive healing back for PvP etc.

[Fuzes]

use a movement instead of stopcasting .. u can do it manually by pressing (for example) "e" for the dps macro and "r" for jump with your fatty multibox ned fingers () at the same time or (much more "i have no fucking clue if it is allowed") add a action to press the "r" key everytime the "e" key is used . (i woulnt bind the default space key as jump cuz well ... i cant spamm e+space for a complete bossfight + jumping tank/healer sucks bigtime ;D)

jumping has the + that in wont break follow (what strafing would do) and the - that if u spam your dps/jump key + iwt key the toons will jump through the "boss" into the tank and will be cleaved

[Mosg2]

@Fuzes:

The problem with jumping is that when you're spamming IWT you will be out of melee pretty frequently. It's a great idea on paper but just doesn't translate.

[Fuzes]

u could use a strafe left/right combo too (its only a minimal movement but still no swingtimer reset) , for now i have the following bindings q = interact with target , e = dps macro WITHOUT the jumping , alt + e == dps/jump action ... as long as the palas arent in melee range to the mob i only use the macro without jumping . so iwt works as intended .

as soon as your ret toons are in melee range u can jump as much as you want even with a iwt in the same secound ... they will only spin in the air .

it will not work in pvp at all for obvious reasons (tanking nightelf rouges on one spot dosnt work that often ;D) ... on the other side u dont need "stopcasting" at all cuz your toons move 99% of the time and wont try to cast non instant exorcisms

[Noids]

New exo doesn't actually seem to proc that much anyway, I am happy with the manual stopcasting key to hit when the proc is up on all toons for some nice burst.