AV this weekend

[Zub]

I can see the argument for Pally + 4x Shaman > 5x Shaman... in some situations.
Cannot see that Pally + 4x Shaman is always better then 5x Shaman.

Take Sam for example.
He already has: 1x Pally and 4x Shammy, as the first group.
In Sam's current non- FTL setup, which would support this group more:
a) 30 additional Shammies; or
b) 25 additional Shammies, and 5 additional Prot Paladins.

in Sam's case, i think he means to have a meat shield to absord the player hate, and to have a very sturdy lead (since no FTL possible)
i would guess that a) is the correct answer. 1 main, super buffed, super sturdy lead, and as many as you can dps/heals slaves.

to kill it, you'll either have to go for the head and hope you can kill it quick enough, (and then it's gg, free 30 HK) or you chop the slaves one by one until only remains the now useless lead

[Sam DeathWalker]

ten box in av and have no problems with tower yes ten in a tower is a lot but if I can hold it with ur ten the there not useless

So I should have taken my 8 guys and just used them to hold a single tower?

You saw the SS where I am most of the top slots in honor in a won game where I had the most honorable kills. Its better to hold ONE tower (ya I can get all my guys to the top of one tower and sit there the whole game easy) then to do that? I find that hard to belive. Show your best SS of the end of a AV sorted by honor or by any method you feel is fair. I'v shown my best.

Here is the best I have done: http://samdeathwalker.com/forum/atta...8525576&cmps=1

Post your best.


No after the First Lead I don't need more prot pals so of course more dps/healers (30 shaman and 1 pal is way better then 25 shaman and 6 pal for sure).

I have 2 prot pal in case I need an off tank plus one is 80 now and i need a leader to bring the others up through the levels.


Sure next AV weekend I will be online all the time. Not sure how we would get into the same battle plus Im not going to play all 4 days on my level 80 guys as they are level 80 and I am in battlegrounds for exp, not gear. But ya Ill play a few and if LoB wants to meet me midfield with 9 or less guys Ill do my best to help set it up. Or if you want to compare then take out some world mob that is agressive to both horde and ally. Take out the strongest mob you can with accounts that you own, as many as you want, then Ill try the same mob wiht my 9 and we see what happens.


Ya I can get my whole crew up to the top of a tower if I slowly move one step at a time, thats just stupid to waste all that potential dps for nothing, and just SIT there the whole game instead of kill 125 ally ? LoL thats just silly.

You run FOUR guys up to the top of a tower so one can click on it?

Why not I take Grave Yards, just as important in many respects and let others take Towers, I have no trouble with Grave Yards (or the boss or Bal). Also I am standing at the base of the tower and kill ally who try and enter, if we have the tower then that is protecting the tower just as well as being up at the top right?

1 main, super buffed, super sturdy lead, and as many as you can dps/heals slaves.

Exactly the enemy is forced to attack your strongest best geared most hp most being healed character or you get free movement and target without FLT. And if you go after the mages, well my focus fire should be better then yours if I have more guys and my crew is all still together just minus a few dead .... How you gonna attack 22 mages. You are one shot at 40 yards, and if you get close you are hit with round robin frost nova and arcane explosions (not to mention what ring of frost will do)..... we will see.

A good shaman boxer would ignore the paladin up front, hoping he blows his bubble, and nuke the 4 shaman behind him, then finish off the helpless paladin.

Prot Palidens are never exactly Helpless and really hard to kill. Well I gave up on Shaman for DPS. Lets see what happens with a paliden with 4 mages casting ON THE MOVE at 40 yards runs up against 5 shaman who cant move and dps and need to be at 30 yards for their main dps spell .....

Im moving, you are stationary, my range is 40 yards your range is 30 yards, whats going to happen? Also scorch casts at 1.5seconds with no other cooldown and takes zero mana ....

[Mokoi]

Agent Sam,

Good hearing from you, and we are glad to have you on our team. We wanted to show you what some of your teammates are accomplishing while you are taking one for the team as a double-agent working for the alliance as a horde. It's a difficult task hamstringing them as you do, but we applaud your continued efforts on the battlefield.



It had been more difficult in times past for those of us who have been 80 for some time, and even those who were 70 a couple years ago. The screenshots of those days could not be shown as we don't have time to reminisce that far back.

Now that you are on our team, and after a long, long, long, long road, finally lvl 80 JUST in time for the next expansion, we are in a much better position if you are working with us on the battlefield to obtain screenshots of victory even more spectacular than those, and cause so much grief on the horde chat, which we are very sorry you must endure, that must be extremely difficult.

Hang in there, together we will make Alliance even stronger!

-Alliance

[roflstomp]

ok sam horde = turtle thats y u think that us ally take towers with 8 ppl in them to make sure u dont take the tower back from us then we move to next and so on. we win by towers and bosses not kills 600 kills takes 45 min 4 towers 2 bosses takes 10 min. see my point. and fuck world events if it wasnt so costly to switch realms id transfer my 4 shams over to ur realm to camp u all day and WTF ROFL PWN UR NUB A$$. plz learn to play av this isnt eq or lotro or ff. this game isnt numbers its skill. my right finger has more skill than ur whole body. stop thinking your ruinous. your not but ur just like them think ur pro but it take 5 times more players to kill one toon. ie 8 u vs. 1 skilled player. im totaly sick of u thinking that ur the best just listen for once to some verry skilled muliboxers of how to win av and for ss im not taking any i dont have to prove my self every one here and in lob knows i know what im talking about and know im more skilled than u. KK THX BYE!

[zenga]

World first lvl 85 in your guys bg incoming?

[Zub]

ok sam horde = turtle thats y u think that us ally take towers with 8 ppl in them to make sure u dont take the tower back from us then we move to next and so on. we win by towers and bosses not kills 600 kills takes 45 min 4 towers 2 bosses takes 10 min. see my point. and fuck world events if it wasnt so costly to switch realms id transfer my 4 shams over to ur realm to camp u all day and WTF ROFL PWN UR NUB A$$. plz learn to play av this isnt eq or lotro or ff. this game isnt numbers its skill. my right finger has more skill than ur whole body. stop thinking your ruinous. your not but ur just like them think ur pro but it take 5 times more players to kill one toon. ie 8 u vs. 1 skilled player. im totaly sick of u thinking that ur the best just listen for once to some verry skilled muliboxers of how to win av and for ss im not taking any i dont have to prove my self every one here and in lob knows i know what im talking about and know im more skilled than u. KK THX BYE!

that was painful. please make moaar paragraphs

[Sam DeathWalker]

Are those recent SS from last week? How do you get 2400 or so honor in 12 mintues .... ?

Obvisouly some of those are not AV.

Ya well no doubt you are doing more then I am, old or not thats a lot of damage, and killz to deaths is looking good as well, I have more work to do for sure but time will tell.

Well whatever. I just take consulation in the fact the DK's die to me 3-4 times.

Well time to level up the new mages.

See ya on the battlefield, dead at my feet.

[Zub]

Are those recent SS from last week? How do you get 2400 or so honor in 12 mintues .... ?

Obvisouly some of those are not AV.

Ya well no doubt you are doing more then I am, old or not thats a lot of damage, and killz to deaths is looking good as well, I have more work to do for sure but time will tell.

Well whatever. I just take consulation in the fact the DK's die to me 3-4 times.

Well time to level up the new mages.

See ya on the battlefield, dead at my feet.

So in short, you stated you were doing the best job in the world, challenged the word to beat you and presented one nice screenshot (stating that was your best) with 59 honor gained. (you also stated that honor gained is YOUR metric of choice)

Mokoi came back with half a dozen screenshots showing him gaining 1700-2500 honor per match.

and now you conclude by saying Well, whatever, and go by a different metric altogether (kills on a different team)


All good, nothing has changed.
Move along people.

[Kicksome]

Ok Sam ill make u a deal we will queue for an av together and ill bring my 4 shamans to u un av and we will see if ur 9 ccan beat my 4 if u will the trash talk will stop if not u agree ur not as great as u think u are and then u listen to what others say on here we reds on the forum can help u we kno how to dominate in wow and I am sure we can help u u just have to ask us for help. We all run arenas and know how to play well. I'm not meaning to would like a dick but ur skills rnt as good as u say and I ten box in av and have no problems with tower yes ten in a tower is a lot but if I can hold it with ur ten the there not useless

Translation:
Dear Samwise Deathwalker,
Let's come to terms on a gentleman's agreement. I proposed the following; We both queue for Alterac Vally at the same time. Once we both find ourselves in the same Alterac Vally, I'll search for your players with my four shamans, with the intent to best your nine player team. This will give you ample opportunity to determine if your nine players, can beat my four shaman in a fair right. If I do defeat you, then you agree to stop "trash talking", for lack of a better term.

I would highly suggest listening to what others on the forum say, simple because we are here to help you. Many of us run Arenas, and do quite well. We would be more than happy to assist you at World of Warcraft, but you need to ask for that help. I apologize in advance for my sometimes pointed words, but I feel you're being a bit indocile.

Sincerely,
roflstomp

P.S. I do not have any sort of difficulties navigating a tower with ten players. While ten players in a tower may seem like a great deal to you, I am able to hold the tower, and therefore, I am serving a useful purpose.

[Littleburst]

For some reason discussion with sam always seem to end in pointless nerdraging. I'd suggest to draw your conclusions from that and save yourself some energy + nerdrage on the forum.