Well....I guess that's it!

[kate]

Kate.... what rotation are you using on your pally?

I am having issues with holding aggro on the pally, yet as you mentioned the shaman's DPS went up dramatically and are doing great (I see earthquake being nerfed in the future)

I also don't like what they did on the Druid tree form

I don't use Earthquake on my shaman - it seems to do 1950 DPS when on 3 targets, which is more than 1k DPS fewer than I do with my shaman rotation, and it seems a little fussy to use. I'm going to experiment more with it later, but for right now it seems kind of underwhelming.

Paladin tanking macro is:
#showtooltip
/casesequence reset=9 Judgement, Hammer of the Righteous, Shield of the Righteous, Hammer of the Righteous, Crusader Strike
/cast Avenger's Shield
/cast Consecration
/cast Holy Wrath

I don't run out of mana, I have no problems generating and holding threat, and it looks like everything fires off as soon as it's ready. My DPS post-patch jumped up a fair amount on my tank, and my TPS went from about 2500 to 3500.

[d0z3rr]

Gran Turismo got delayed again. Better stay wow :-) GT5 is going to take more time then Duke Nukum Forever

Wow, I didn't even realise that. FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

Well there is:

Fallout New Vegas
Fable 3
Dead Rising 2
DJ Hero 2 (can you tell I like rhythym games?)

I still have to finish Red Dead Redemption. Pretty much done with GH: WoR. I also have an inkling to go back to Eve online and mine again, I did get some nice ships when I had quit.

After I posted this message I went back into WoW again. Queued up for a hc Gundrak on the pallies. I only did up to the first boss. My tank still took an uncomfortable amount of damage from those snake mobs. Really sad though. But.....we did do very well on the boss. I still had to bubble for poison nova, but he went down pretty darn fast.

And my pallies threat is much much worse. I remember my rets on Omen threat meter would be a very small amount of threat. Now their threat bars in the Omen extend up to 60% of my tank!

[Lyonheart]

^ Medal of Honor is out as well, great game if you have a strong PC 8)

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I'm not seeing this "squishy pally tank" syndrome some of you are experiencing. I'm also not seeing any significant aggro issues with him, though my rets are only at about 4900GS, so if you're ubergeared, that might change things.

[Heenan]

I'm not seeing this "squishy pally tank" syndrome some of you are experiencing. I'm also not seeing any significant aggro issues with him, though my rets are only at about 4900GS, so if you're ubergeared, that might change things.

My Pally gets this initial burst on bosses now. It drops him to around 30% health. I have to actually open up with all kinds of heals to top him off. And with Ardent Defender being an on-click ability I have to be even more on my toes.

My first heroic post-patch I almost died on the hallway trash in Drak'Tharon. Before, I could pretty much sleep through those.

My gear isn't the greatest on this team, but I felt the Pally was a lot more resilient before this patch. The shaman are ridiculously powerful now though, so I'm not complaining there.

[BobGnarly]

Hey man, if it's time, it's time, and I'd never try to convince somebody to stay doing something they don't want to. However, I do think you are being pretty rash if you're making your final decision based on 2 days with a patch that Blizzard has said over and over will be unbalanced and disjoint for a while.

You can't compare this with pre BC/LK, because there have been major talent tree revamps and class changes, especially around the paladin. I haven't played yet, so I have no idea what it's like, but I'm sure they aren't going to leave paly tanks unable to hold agro and getting two shot by heroic mobs if that really is what's happening.

And it could be that we just have to adapt. Let's face it, castrandom/castsequence has really made our jobs easy. We might just have to undo that style of play and learn another, maybe even harder, style to keep going forward. But hey, that challenge can be fun as well.

Anyway, hope you stay and at least give the actually expansion a shot, but if you don't, bon chance.

[nauren01]

Huh, I'm not having any problems holding aggro with my pally tank even though my shaman have all increased their DPS dramatically as a result of the patch. What is your paladin tanking rotation now, jink?

Edit: To amplify, I'm actually seeming *more* powerful since the changes - by quite a bit. DPS is up, threat is up, defensive stats are up or about the same. The only thing I wonder about is if they really did add the crit-reduction to Righteous Fury, since I do seem to take really big hits every once in awhile. But I'm really enjoying the changes - maybe if I had better gear before I'd feel nerfed now?

same here, just tried my usual inis and it went easier than before.

Aggro is no problem at all, I use no special rotation, just judge, hammer, hammer, hammer, shield - thats it on one button.
dps is up, I have a lot more hp cause I can use stam gems now instead of def.

I never tuned /click macros for maximum effects- maybe that's why I don't feel that this change is bad.

In fact, I really like simplifying the buffs. Suddenly I get almost all raid buffs just with 4 shamys

[d0z3rr]

I'm not seeing this "squishy pally tank" syndrome some of you are experiencing. I'm also not seeing any significant aggro issues with him, though my rets are only at about 4900GS, so if you're ubergeared, that might change things.

I recorded a video, just need to upload to youtube.

[Velassra]

How about them there DK tanks...?

[remanz]

Quiting now might not be a bad idea. Come back after Cata. Things would start making sense again.


I went through this cycle all the time. WOW for 3 months. Then back to some console/PC games for a few months. Back to wow again.

One thing though, those console games are all light weighted comparing to boxing. I can barely hold the controller for more than 2hrs without getting bored out of my mind. I have to force myself to do stuff like "trophy/achievements grind", in order to play those games.

Another thing might be just cut the games and get something else done. Like excercise more.