Well....I guess that's it!

[Sam DeathWalker]

Here is possible why your tank is having problems:

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread....17043493&sid=1


I spent 25,000 gold to get to 430 defensive and its not even in the game anymore. I don't think you can just assume that stats you have before just translate into an optimal build now.

[kate]

Here is possible why your tank is having problems:

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread....17043493&sid=1


I spent 25,000 gold to get to 430 defensive and its not even in the game anymore. I don't think you can just assume that stats you have before just translate into an optimal build now.

You are absolutely correct - some of the DPS plate pieces I had on my tank (they were upgrades from the crap greens and blues I started with, so I took 'em!) are actually better now than the "protection" plate alternative.

[killkat]

Here is possible why your tank is having problems:

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread....17043493&sid=1


I spent 25,000 gold to get to 430 defensive and its not even in the game anymore. I don't think you can just assume that stats you have before just translate into an optimal build now.

Which part are you referring to?
I was looking at the stats changes, armor is lowered, but hp is higher, avoidance stayed somewhat similar, I reforged dodge into mastery, lost around 3.5% dodge, gained 13% block. It doesn't give any indication as to why my pally tank is taking SO MUCH more dmg now.

EDIT: I actually have no threat problem (at least in H, haven't tried raid yet), and I have no problem doing H, just need to pay closer attention to it.

[Ñightsham]

I don't use Earthquake on my shaman - it seems to do 1950 DPS when on 3 targets, which is more than 1k DPS fewer than I do with my shaman rotation, and it seems a little fussy to use. I'm going to experiment more with it later, but for right now it seems kind of underwhelming.

Paladin tanking macro is:
#showtooltip
/casesequence reset=9 Judgement, Hammer of the Righteous, Shield of the Righteous, Hammer of the Righteous, Crusader Strike
/cast Avenger's Shield
/cast Consecration
/cast Holy Wrath

I don't run out of mana, I have no problems generating and holding threat, and it looks like everything fires off as soon as it's ready. My DPS post-patch jumped up a fair amount on my tank, and my TPS went from about 2500 to 3500.

Very Nice....... Thanx.. it helped me accomplish "Volazj's Quick Demise"

[Sam DeathWalker]

http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.c...rb_v=viewtopic

Make this macro:

/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Need 102.4 combat table coverage. Currently at: "..string.format("%.2f", GetDodgeChance()+GetBlockChance()+GetParryChance() +5))

The goal is to reforge the gear in such a way that the last value the macro computes comes as close to 87,4 as possible while using a minimal amount of mastery rating. (Holy Shield provides the missing 15% )

Less geared protadins should firstly reforge hit and expertise or the higher of avoidance ratings on a given item (mainly in progression gear, of course)

Hit should be 8percent and expertise 6.5 iirc


Well I dont think it is fair to expect that at level 80 people will have stong defense AND a lot of threat. The above will let you have stong defense but expertise and hit rating (and crits I guess) all effect threat. You can go all out offensive and get a ton of agro but die sooner or go all out defensive and have less ago but more survivability, I kinda doubt you will get both.

Thats what I did also, Reforged some excess dodge into mastery and call it a day. Haven't even looked at gems yet.

[boxblizzard]

just remember that all the changes are aimed towards Cata, and that we don't have cata stuf yet (higher spells, gear, etc)

we're in a transition phase, not comparable to the pwnall phase we were in 5 days ago.

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we are in very early stages, everything is all messed up at the moment. things are unbalanced the usual business. so for now just stack gold and work trades.

im not impressed with the mechantics right now but i know these changes point towards a better result eventually. just they need to sort it out..just needs some time. patience, and understanding. if its still the same after xmas then we will all be in the same situation and many will just close the door on way out

my team is messed up atm, but im going to have more fun leveling new team from lvl 1 to 85 in new content. during the time it takes to reach 85 by then ....fingers crossed things will work better.

[Whowantstoknow]

Unbalanced or not I just dont like the Paladin changes (if I wanted to play a rogue I would roll a rogue).

[jinkobi]

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we are in very early stages, everything is all messed up at the moment. things are unbalanced the usual business. so for now just stack gold and work trades.

im not impressed with the mechantics right now but i know these changes point towards a better result eventually. just they need to sort it out..just needs some time. patience, and understanding. if its still the same after xmas then we will all be in the same situation and many will just close the door on way out

my team is messed up atm, but im going to have more fun leveling new team from lvl 1 to 85 in new content. during the time it takes to reach 85 by then ....fingers crossed things will work better.

I've seen it before- the vanilla to TBC transition. But this is waaaay more severe. When the TBC change happened they just built upon what was there. This is an entirely different ballgame. Everything is revamped from the top down.

Despite all the defense in the world we've all been nerfed into the dust. Sure they'll rebuild us up some but it goes from one day being very powerful then the next it's like I'm given a premade of some defunct build. Feel like my characters are dead if that makes any sense, lol. Because when I play them I feel as if I'm playing somebody else's toon.

On top of it all I'm paying for all these transitional changes. Blizzard goes here- lets fuck up your character for a few months and you foot the bill sound good? Sorry that doesn't sound good.

Looking at things now... Even with Cataclysm and the higher level talents 'supposedly' evening things out. I just don't see it... Watching beta footage and hearing beta testers talk. It's like a general consensus. They like the graphics and hate the mechanics. One hardcore WOW player who's in beta has quit WOW all together after their experience. Wasn't because they thought Cataclysm sucked- but they felt WOW was too different and not enjoyable.

Unbalanced or not I just dont like the Paladin changes (if I wanted to play a rogue I would roll a rogue).

After playing a rogue for 3 years and realizing they sucked in comparison to so many other classes I rolled a paladin. Been playing my paladin almost 2 years now and loving it...

When I read that paladin's were given combo points like rogues... Well you can imagine...

You guys know me on here and that I've defended or tried to reason the changes, I was wait and see for a long time... That period I feel has passed. I'm at the see and don't like phase...

Sure I didn't want easy mode. But I didn't want my characters gutted and retuned into a different class either.

[d0z3rr]

Now I'm torn again. I setup my mixed melee team which are 73-74. Their dps has been boosted very nicely. My druid tank has a ton of health now, and her threat is very good (aoe tanking still sucks ass, the change to swipe did kinda help).

My rogue's dps has doubled! He is doing 2000 dps at level 73, before he did ~1000 dps. The warrior's dps is unchanged though. For shits and giggles I went into cat form and was able to put out 1500 dps without really trying, a far cry from the 800dps the druid got beforehand.

So maybe I won't be cancelling afterall since this group is actually improved a lot.

[d0z3rr]

Another thing might be just cut the games and get something else done. Like excercise more.

I would probably off myself within a week if I didn't have video games. When I'm on travel I have a Nintendo DS and a PSP. The PSP is modded so I can play sega genesis games.

I actually bmx bike almost daily and work out 3 times a week, those too keep me from a murder-suicide.