Well....I guess that's it!

[d0z3rr]

These changes are just....weird to me. I really don't think I will ever enjoy my 5 paladin group again. I am a very very casual player, and the time I spent gearing my paladin tank and my 4 rets is basically awash. I ran several different instances just now and they are definitely not what they used to be. The tank is ridiculously weak, I'm apalled at how much damage it is taking. I could've tanked better with a hunter pet pre 4.0.1.

But it's not just that. The rets even feel different. Every change that has been made is just annoying. It's like they tried way to hard to mix up the game. Normally I am a huge advocate for change, but this one unfortunately doesn't suit me. I'm sure a lot of you are fine with it, but it's just not clicking with me. If I'm not enjoying a game I spend $150/mo for, I have to cut ties.

It realllllllly sucks though. I was kinda excited for the new changes, but I had no idea it would wind up killing my paladin group. I guess they are trying to even out the game so 5x paladin groups really shouldn't be that viable.

Yes, my group was not getting their ass kicked per se. I did wipe miserably on Hadranox though.....seriously...freaking HC Hadronox. It's so weird because I remember her being very easy in HC. Yes I complain that I hate that instance but this group steamrolled her pre 4.0.1.

I've tried and tried to tweak the castsequences but the tank is still just a squishy little bitch now.

It's a bittersweet end. On one end my awesome paladin group is now shit, I will not be able to enjoy leveling them to 85, and the 12days + played (remember I'm a super casual player) is now a waste. On the other end I save myself $500+ not upgrading my 10 accts to Cat, and I can start FFXIV for good now. Plus Rock Band 3 is coming out soon and Gran Turismo 5, there's no way in hell I could juggle those + WoW.

But best of luck to those who like the change and are able to adapt, good on you. May Cataclysm offer you bundles of entertainment! I'll definitely still lurk these forums to see what everyone is accomplishing.

Viel Gluck!

[Zub]

just remember that all the changes are aimed towards Cata, and that we don't have cata stuf yet (higher spells, gear, etc)

we're in a transition phase, not comparable to the pwnall phase we were in 5 days ago.

[EaTCarbS]

just remember that all the changes are aimed towards Cata, and that we don't have cata stuf yet (higher spells, gear, etc)

we're in a transition phase, not comparable to the pwnall phase we were in 5 days ago.

This. Some of our primary spells won't be available to us until cata comes.

[d0z3rr]

I see what you mean, but I definitely remember BC changes. They actually were pretty damn uber, I remember my PVE group slaughtered Ramps when the changes came out. Then again, I am not expecting any changes to make me super uber, I just didn't want them to gimp me, where I wouldn't enjoy my pally group anymore.

No complaints here, it's just the way it is. I'm sure it could just be a hiatus until months after Cataclysm has been out. And once that happens maybe I'll be able to dive into WoW multiboxing once again. I still have 10 active accounts for another 30 days. I'll probably 10box some more classic stuff until they run out. 10boxing was definitely the most fun I had with WoW.

[Zub]

I see what you mean, but I definitely remember BC changes. They actually were pretty damn uber, I remember my PVE group slaughtered Ramps when the changes came out. Then again, I am not expecting any changes to make me super uber, I just didn't want them to gimp me, where I wouldn't enjoy my pally group anymore.

No complaints here, it's just the way it is. I'm sure it could just be a hiatus until months after Cataclysm has been out. And once that happens maybe I'll be able to dive into WoW multiboxing once again. I still have 10 active accounts for another 30 days. I'll probably 10box some more classic stuff until they run out. 10boxing was definitely the most fun I had with WoW.

In this case, i suggest you cancel for a couple months, and give it a try once cata is out. (single toon maybe, as the price tag to 'test' on 5 would be a bit high)
In any case, whatever you decide, go for the fun :-)

[zenga]

I feel you ... with my mate the disc priest i did a random hc on my main ele shaman. We get a demo lock, boomkin and pally tank. Pally is in #1 horde guild and is an alt that goes 10/12 hc 25m each week (for some reason we could only do random's with people from our own server tonight, lots of random dc's, getting booted from the dungeon, etc). Anyway, halls of lightning. Tank chain pulls first trash packs and gets nearly killed 2 times, if I didn't help with the healing it was a wipe. And he dc'd. So we wait for new tank, and after 10m we decide to clear next pack of trash. 5 seconds and it was dead. So we go for boss. 10 seconds and all full health. We clear our way up to 2nd boss, no prob whatsoever. We cleared whole instance with 3 dps + healer and had zero problems at all. So we decide to queue up for another one and get FoS. Pally tank we get dies on 2nd trash pack and leaves. We continue and clear the instance in record time, again 4 manning it without the tank. Except for the last boss we didn't have a single dead (i didn't have dbm installed and kill the lock by accident).

So yeah, looks like they'll have a hard time ...

[jinkobi]

I'm sort of in a similar situation. My druid's don't seem so bad but my paladin tank is a wreck.

My biggest problem is holding aggro now. Way worse than vanilla WOW mechanics... It's just a constant battle of me spamming hand of reckoning trying to regain aggro.

Things are just so different it's like being presented with an entirely new game. We all wanted a challenge to a degree, But lets face it. Everything done has been a huge nerf disguised as revamping WOW. Dev after dev always miss the point. You don't nerf the players- you make monsters harder.

Everything just seems like a frivilous process now. Spam 1 key until you proc- but the catch is most fights don't last long enough to get the proc. My druids usually eclipse right when the pull ends then it's gone by the second pull.

Right now I'm on the fence myself. Paying 75$ a month for something I'm not really even enjoying anymore. I've been having more fun playing City of Heroes the past 2 months honestly and I've played WOW for 5 years.

I'm staying subbed through the Halloween event then cancelling for a while to re-evaluate. Probably grab 1 copy of Cat then see where I want to proceed from there.

These changes just feel like huge nerfs right and left despite the cool things added. Looking forward towards the Cat dungeons... Yeah I wanted a challenge but what I'm seeing is going to verge on impossibility. Each dungeon is going to require complex macros on par with Occulus. Not sure I'm game for all that micro management.

Good luck to you man. You aren't alone out there.

[kate]

Huh, I'm not having any problems holding aggro with my pally tank even though my shaman have all increased their DPS dramatically as a result of the patch. What is your paladin tanking rotation now, jink?

Edit: To amplify, I'm actually seeming *more* powerful since the changes - by quite a bit. DPS is up, threat is up, defensive stats are up or about the same. The only thing I wonder about is if they really did add the crit-reduction to Righteous Fury, since I do seem to take really big hits every once in awhile. But I'm really enjoying the changes - maybe if I had better gear before I'd feel nerfed now?

[David]

Plus Rock Band 3 is coming out soon and Gran Turismo 5, there's no way in hell I could juggle those + WoW.
Viel Gluck!

Gran Turismo got delayed again. Better stay wow :-) GT5 is going to take more time then Duke Nukum Forever

[Ñightsham]

Huh, I'm not having any problems holding aggro with my pally tank even though my shaman have all increased their DPS dramatically as a result of the patch. What is your paladin tanking rotation now, jink?

Edit: To amplify, I'm actually seeming *more* powerful since the changes - by quite a bit. DPS is up, threat is up, defensive stats are up or about the same. The only thing I wonder about is if they really did add the crit-reduction to Righteous Fury, since I do seem to take really big hits every once in awhile. But I'm really enjoying the changes - maybe if I had better gear before I'd feel nerfed now?

Kate.... what rotation are you using on your pally?

I am having issues with holding aggro on the pally, yet as you mentioned the shaman's DPS went up dramatically and are doing great (I see earthquake being nerfed in the future)

I also don't like what they did on the Druid tree form