Holy crap -- PvP changes

[Eloxy]

IMO blizz could just go ; ok, pve gear is obtained throug daily emblems, when you complete raids and hardmodes you can change colour on the gear. Yep that sounds realy fun don't it? No to me blizz is heading down the wrong road tbh. Yeah I'm not a casual, but I'm not a hardcore player either.

[smokebum]

Hmm... interesting change, I wonder if they're gonna eventually have heroics drop same gear as raids with an inferior color..... or maybe just get rid of gear all together and just have our outfit change colors since people who are good at PVE/PVP will do better anyways.

Well in any case I'm sure things will work out in the end.

[Kicksome]

This is how the arena tourney is. Everyone is on a level playing field, and the skilled arena players are the ones that win, not the ones who managed to get the best gear.

However, I have a feeling people will use some of the raid gear to their advantage. e.g. Shadowmourne (or whatever the cat version of the top gear is)

So now all the sudden, we're back to season 1-3, where if you want an advantage in PvP, you need to raid.

[Kicksome]

I also have a feeling some of these changes they put in place just to mix things up and keep it interesting. It's probably not right or wrong, it's just different, and probably keeps things from getting stale. It would be pretty boring for a lot of people to have a repeat of last season, and the season before that.

[Eloxy]

Hmm... interesting change, I wonder if they're gonna eventually have heroics drop same gear as raids with an inferior color..... or maybe just get rid of gear all together and just have our outfit change colors since people who are good at PVE/PVP will do better anyways.

Well in any case I'm sure things will work out in the end.

My point exactly. If everyone have the same gear anyway why the he'll have it? Instead of having cool new gear that will improve your character, you get colours, achievements, mounts, titles, pets and noncombat stuff. Big QQ from me if this hits live.

[Svpernova09]

I totally understand what Eloxy is saying. But when it comes to Arena,

There was a statement that the current system in live wow was not working for a lot of people. Having rated requirements tended to let the highly skilled people get gear quickly and then keep others from getting it. You end up with a large group of people that can never get a pvp weapon (1800 isn't exactly easy, maybe 20% get there?) and anything but those terrible wintergrasp shoulders.

This is the exact case. I've been playing serious arena for about 2 months now. I came in VERY late in the season and I'm probably not the greatest arena player, but when my 5s team isn't getting 1300 rated teams, we get 2k+ rated teams and we get destroyed. The teams that are our MMR (1750-1850) are either Full wrathful T2 wep teams that are just carrying someone, or trying a different comp. It's the people who have the gear that are pushing my team, who is mostly full relent + 232/PvE weps down and keeping us away from our 1800 weps. It's not skill when a 4 DPS team can global one of my teammates.

[heyaz]

I think you should just enter a bg or dungeon and grab the gear you want off a rack

Since there's obviously going to be no reward for skill or even time spent grinding.

[Svpernova09]

I think you should just enter a bg or dungeon and grab the gear you want off a rack

Since there's obviously going to be no reward for skill or even time spent grinding.

If top tier weapons, mounts, titles aren't enough reward for you, I heard the lego MMO is coming out soon.


/goes to look outside.


Nope, sky is not falling.

[smokebum]

This is the exact case. I've been playing serious arena for about 2 months now. I came in VERY late in the season and I'm probably not the greatest arena player, but when my 5s team isn't getting 1300 rated teams, we get 2k+ rated teams and we get destroyed. The teams that are our MMR (1750-1850) are either Full wrathful T2 wep teams that are just carrying someone, or trying a different comp. It's the people who have the gear that are pushing my team, who is mostly full relent + 232/PvE weps down and keeping us away from our 1800 weps. It's not skill when a 4 DPS team can global one of my teammates.

I came back in the middle of the season so I pretty much went through the same thing. I started with deadly gear, then furious, then relentless, and now wrathful. There was a progression of gear upgrades and trying out different things to advance in ranking.

In PVP reaching a certain ranking is like beating a hard boss and just because people are unable to reach a certain point doesn't necessary mean you should get rid of that point. It'll be like saying "well u guys are having a problem beating this boss, so I'll tell you what just keep grinding the mobs for couple weeks and I'll give u the drops from this boss you cannot beat"

It's not skill when a 4 DPS team can global one of my teammates.

Lol I'm sure alot of non-boxers say this about boxers and how it takes no skill, but as most here would know its not that easy and u can probably count the number of teams that have reached 2k with two hands and 2.2k+ with one hand.

Oh an I'm full wrathful and have had a team destroy one of my guys before I could even blow bloodlust. Now that is some coordination and skill on their part.


Atleast for me, removing ranking req is like removing all the bosses for a raid. Then it becomes just a grind fest for points which is very disappointing, but I'll still continue to do it in the name of killing more alliance.

[Zappy]

It's not skill when a 4 DPS team can global one of my teammates.

That's a pretty funny statement considering that's what our multiboxing arena teams are all about.

It'll be an interesting season to say the least. After working my ass off to get two teams over 1800, there is definitely a great sense of accomplishment, but I also feel the pain of my newest team as the flaws are very highlighted in the system. I can't tell you how many 1400 rated teams we get beat down that have 2-3 fully decked out players carrying the other guys. While it's not impossible to move up, it can be incredibly frustrating as the MMR system is so flawed. You may fight a legitimate 1700 rated team where you have a good battle because everybody is on par for gear with each other, then the very next match be playing a low rated team that's carrying people that annihilate you so quickly. Our worst loss last night was a 1250 MMR rated team where 3 of their members have the 2200 weapons. Good luck against those comps.

A few weeks back, I was playing my DK/ret team and got 6-7 free wins off a team where only one guy showed up to play. He was all alone dancing, and I was shocked cause he had shoulders. I looked up his team afterwards and saw the team rating was around 1700, however, I was beating them as if they were a 13-1400 rated team. I didn't think much of it at the time until I faced them again later where all 5 showed up, and blew up my entire team rather quickly. What I found was that when only 1 person actually enters the arena, thee team MMR posts a lot lower than where the team rating is at, so when you beat them, they don't lose many points in their team rating, but it still drives their team MMR down a lot faster than their actual team rating. What's worse, is when you do face their entire team, their MMR is low enough where you'll get slaughtered in points.

At least with next season, you won't have better geared players keeping you from getting better gear.