Lets talk Gear!

[Sam DeathWalker]

My guys are getting high enough so that gear is starting to become important.

I'v tried gearscore and ratingsbuster but I went back to Pawn. This is how they assign specs default to these 3 classes which are my most important. 1000000 is zero weight, and specs not listed are also zero weight. Does this make sense to you guys (each spec is weighted based upon the usefullness to the class, with stamina the most important for prot pal and hit rating most important for fire mage etc. I like pawn best cause its cusomizable and you can click on the item and see ratings for both what you have and the upgrade. This is obviously pve specs.

Pro Pal:

( Pawn: v1: "Paladin: tank": IsWand=-1000000, IsFist=-1000000, IsStaff=-1000000, Agility=60, ExpertiseRating=59, IsDagger=-1000000, DefenseRating=45, MetaSocketEffect=3600, BlockValue=6, BlockRating=7, IsThrown=-1000000, IsBow=-1000000, Strength=16, ParryRating=30, DodgeRating=55, Stamina=100, IsGun=-1000000, IsCrossbow=-1000000, Armor=8, GemQualityLevel=81 )

Fire Mage:

( Pawn: v1: "Mage: fire": Intellect=13, IsFist=-1000000, Is2HMace=-1000000, IsMace=-1000000, CritRating=43, IsAxe=-1000000, IsThrown=-1000000, HasteRating=53, IsCrossbow=-1000000, MetaSocketEffect=3600, FrostSpellDamage=23, IsGun=-1000000, Is2HAxe=-1000000, FireSpellDamage=46, Is2HSword=-1000000, IsBow=-1000000, IsMail=-1000000, IsPlate=-1000000, IsLeather=-1000000, IsPolearm=-1000000, HitRating=100, Stamina=0.1, SpellPower=46, IsShield=-1000000, ArcaneSpellDamage=23, GemQualityLevel=81 )

Elem Sham:

( Pawn: v1: "Shaman: elemental": IsWand=-1000000, CritRating=40, HasteRating=56, IsCrossbow=-1000000, MetaSocketEffect=3600, IsPolearm=-1000000, IsGun=-1000000, IsThrown=-1000000, IsBow=-1000000, IsSword=-1000000, Intellect=11, HitRating=100, Stamina=0.1, SpellPower=60, IsPlate=-1000000, Is2HSword=-1000000, GemQualityLevel=81 )

[Zub]

i think you're complicating things a bit...

Protection Paladin:
Any plate with lots of stam, and defense till you reach the cap
the other stats (parry/block/dodge/strength) are always bundled with the above two.
you DON'T need any spellpower items,

Fire Mage / Elem Shaman:
Any Cloth / Mail that has spell power. If it has Hit, it's a bonus (until hit cap - check specifics for mages/shamans)
Int / crit / haste are usually bundled with the above stats
.

for casters, staves usually have more stam/pure stats, but you can get more spellpower/haste/crit out of one-hand-+offhand combo.
For shamies, get a one-hand and a shield (which you can enchant).


to begin, since it doesn't really matter if you have +3 haste or -2 spirit, just compare by iLevel and you'll probably be right 80% of the time, without having to spent 10min min-maxing.

[Zub]

i just checked your paladin (main i guess, since at 79 he's 6 levels higher than some others)
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...n=Samdeathwkzz

your enchants on Weapon and Legs are useless. you do NOT need spellpower on a paladin tank.
If you found a website that told you to put spellpower on your weapon, it's because that's what was needed back in 2007 and the website wasn't updated
2+ years ago the talents were changed to give you enough spell power from tanking stats.

[Noids]

Have a look at elitist jerks forum and theorycrafting think tank if you want good up to date info Sam, but otherwise as Zub said above.

[Iceorbz]

Prot paladin --- Defense rating > 540 --> then stamina in all sockets.

Fire mage? What the fuck ? /delete /reroll either arcane or frost. Hit Rating - Spell power / Haste

Elemental Shaman -- hit rating -- spellpower / haste

[Mercurio]

Fire mage? What the fuck ? /delete /reroll either arcane or frost.

I LOLed

[Starbuck_Jones]

Get to 80 first.
Run Randoms and get T9 with your tank and healer.
Run randoms yourself till your whole group is geared.
Worry about the rest later.

There is nothing wrong with caster gear on your tank as long as you meet the required goals for tanking. High hp and def cap. I run with 2 pieces of caster gear on sbjones except when raiding. 10k mana over 5k means that all my mana regens are double what the were so I dont ever have to stop and drink. w/o the caster gear, im so overgeared that im oom after every other pull or sooner. Things die to fast to get any reasonable mp back from sanctuary and divine plea was not enough and I dont take any damage being block capped to get mana from heals.

[zenga]

There is nothing wrong with caster gear on your tank as long as you meet the required goals for tanking. High hp and def cap. I run with 2 pieces of caster gear on sbjones except when raiding. 10k mana over 5k means that all my mana regens are double what the were so I dont ever have to stop and drink. w/o the caster gear, im so overgeared that im oom after every other pull or sooner. Things die to fast to get any reasonable mp back from sanctuary and divine plea was not enough and I dont take any damage being block capped to get mana from heals.

True that, but only if you outgear the place. However with seal of wisdom & judgement of wisdom, sanct & DP i never run oom on my tank (ilvl264 geared). Stuff dies so quick with my shammies that the aggro loss from seal of wisdom ain't an issue either.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well the Pal hit 80 last night in AV so I spent like 30,000 to deck him out. Only slot weak is the gloves.

Followed the advise here and went for defensive and Hit points. Didnt quite make it defensive but 32K Hit Points.

Armory not update yet but should be soon.

Also living bomb is just to powerfull in pvp to have any other mage cept fire. And drgon's breath is very nice in pve, I hit a single mob with 6 livingbombs and 1dragon's breath and just forget about the mob untill it dies.

[ghonosyph]

fire is the way to go when you get super geared, and in cataclysm its AMAZING