Cataclysm: The Ret Paladin- AKA Multi-Box Burst PVP Machines.

[roflstomp]

so it wasnt a waste of my time lvling my dk rets woot

[Noids]

Hmmm. I'm trying to figure out if a DK or a Warrior would be better to lead the Rets with in Cata. With the nerf to Chains of Ice all the DK brings that the Warrior doesn't trump is Death Grip. Charge/Intercept and Improved Hamstring I think are better in the sense that they allow the Warrior to stick on a target better.

What do you all think?

Edit: Ebon Plaguebringer is a not-insignificant amount of damage that the DK would add vice the Warrior. The 4% increase to physical damage that the Warrior adds just isn't even close. In any case, discuss!

You could grab rampage with the warrior I guess for 5% crit in a fury build. Not qute the utility of Arms with stuns and charge, but improved intercept, self heals and potentially higher single target burst?

Its funny but I had never really considered ebon plaguebringer for rets before given the 10% AP and 20% melee haste were buffs you could get in the same build. I think the 10% AP buff from blood would still probably trump EP for dps boost overall though.

[Mosg2]

Well in Cata Blood won't work because it's a tanking spec. So Frost gives you 20% haste for the party, Unholy gives you 8% magic damage, Arms would give you 4% physical damage and Fury would give you 5% crit.

Mmmmm. I think the MS effect is going to be worth more for PvP, BG's or Arenas, than either of the DK buffs. Thoughts?

[Fat Tire]

Well in Cata Blood won't work because it's a tanking spec. So Frost gives you 20% haste for the party, Unholy gives you 8% magic damage, Arms would give you 4% physical damage and Fury would give you 5% crit.

Mmmmm. I think the MS effect is going to be worth more for PvP, BG's or Arenas, than either of the DK buffs. Thoughts?

Heroic Leap now has a 8-40 yards range, up from 8-25 yards.


40 yard range-holy shit! warriors, come out and playyyyyyyyyy

[ghonosyph]

Lol yea I might level warriors now just to see 4 of them leaping through the air lol. Now to comment on the so called nerf to chains of ice, its not really. It works great how it is now! The aoe hot works well, and I can see it being good with firing it off two at a time per ret to give a good chunk of heal buffer, and of course I can see it working well also poppin it * 4 and popping all cooldowns to try and burst zerg someone down quick. I think I may end up going holy on my pallys for an offensive style holy shock build for bgs given how fun holy is to play now, but I'm still on the fence on that for now

[Mosg2]

I'm completely unimpressed with Heroic Leap. If you're boxing War+Rets you don't really want your Warrior 40 yards away while the Rets run to catch up, even with the 45% run speed increase once they Judge.

I'm most interested in MS and party buffs.

[Fat Tire]

I'm completely unimpressed with Heroic Leap. If you're boxing War+Rets you don't really want your Warrior 40 yards away while the Rets run to catch up, even with the 45% run speed increase once they Judge.

I'm most interested in MS and party buffs.

well go with a hunter- MS and they get blood lust now. With Aspect of the fox (wohoo!) and the slower pace of the game I might go back to my old 3s hunter team.

[Mosg2]

Mmmmm I guess that's something to consider. I guess you lose your snare though. Hmmm. The playstyle would be totally different though.

I'm not saying I'm anti-Warrior for this team, just that Heroic Leap is nothing special imo~.

[Fat Tire]

Mmmmm I guess that's something to consider. I guess you lose your snare though. Hmmm. The playstyle would be totally different though.

I'm not saying I'm anti-Warrior for this team, just that Heroic Leap is nothing special imo~.

I am with ya, its a 2 min cd on leap anyways, but for a solo war it will be fun.

Edit: in my own personal opinion casters/range will rule rated bgs- Unless you are the tank or druid flag carrier along with your 2-3 healers, melee are just going to be mass CC'd to keep their fc moving along unabated. In twin peaks* cata wsg its sooo much wider than the wsg of today.

Dont say shaman fc anymore GW got nerfed to 30% atm

[Mosg2]

I don't know man. If you look at the killing potential of melee vs casters in general for BG's I think the melee is just plain going to win out. Shrug.