Cataclysm: The Ret Paladin- AKA Multi-Box Burst PVP Machines.

[Shodokan]

I'm running the Paladin main as a healer with the 4 DK's frost. It's insane--And more fun than the DK+Rets ever were for me.

I'm not concerned about whether or not NS stacks--It doesn't make a difference to me. With the way my DPS key works now the target will be getting at least 8x NS in 10 seconds and should never get 4x at once. It should be 1-2, a second or two, 1-2, etc.

I mean, we'll see what happens but... I love this team.

This is a comp i plan on running as well, any tips?

[Noids]

Dual wield or 2h on the frosties?

[Mercbeast]

Dual wield or 2h on the frosties?

2h will be superior in my experience for two reasons.

Reason 1, 2h generates more rune power, which means more rune dumps which help counter act waiting around for runes.

Reason 2, using IWT to keep melees on people isn't the most efficient way, you will spend most of your time NOT on target and as such when your guys do get in range it is more logical to want to use 2h'er to generate the most possible punch every time you do come in contact.

Whether or not 2h or DW is superior in the soloist grand scheme of things is irrelevant for me as I know 2h will work better within the constraints we have.

[Mosg2]

Optimum DPS for DW is in Frost Presence, 2h'er Unholy... So 2h'er is a given so you get the 15% run speed out of Unholy Presence.

I've been *super busy*. When I get off tonight I'm going to stream my DK manifesto and post it on the forums. I'm tired of following like 3-4 threads with similar questions and ideas

[BrothelMeister]

2h will be superior in my experience for two reasons.

Reason 1, 2h generates more rune power, which means more rune dumps which help counter act waiting around for runes.

Reason 2, using IWT to keep melees on people isn't the most efficient way, you will spend most of your time NOT on target and as such when your guys do get in range it is more logical to want to use 2h'er to generate the most possible punch every time you do come in contact.

Whether or not 2h or DW is superior in the soloist grand scheme of things is irrelevant for me as I know 2h will work better within the constraints we have.

I agree that 2H is the way to go, but is 2H still good for Frost?

[BrothelMeister]

Seal of Truth or Seal of Righteousness ?? I thought that Seal of Truth's Dot was too weak, and since the ability doesn't do any AoE, and the Judgement is weaker, that it was not as good.

What are you guys running BGs and Dungeons with??

[Shodokan]

Optimum DPS for DW is in Frost Presence, 2h'er Unholy... So 2h'er is a given so you get the 15% run speed out of Unholy Presence.

I've been *super busy*. When I get off tonight I'm going to stream my DK manifesto and post it on the forums. I'm tired of following like 3-4 threads with similar questions and ideas

With the way you can setup macro system i don't think dual wield outshines 2h frost because of all the extra runic power.

I have BIS dual wield weps for my dk and 2h does about 3k more in raid using heroic bryntroll.

[remanz]

I've never actually pvp enough with unholy or frost dk.

What are their bursts like? Frontal ? or there is ramp up time (like wait for 6-10 seconds to get that 3 holy power up). I am hoping to use my main DK as unholy for the 8% sp buff and AMZ. But when I played unholy, it felt like an affliction warlock in plate, all chip damage.

What rotation do you use for bursting.

[Shodokan]

I've never actually pvp enough with unholy or frost dk.

What are their bursts like? Frontal ? or there is ramp up time (like wait for 6-10 seconds to get that 3 holy power up). I am hoping to use my main DK as unholy for the 8% sp buff and AMZ. But when I played unholy, it felt like an affliction warlock in plate, all chip damage.

What rotation do you use for bursting.

Frost DK looks something like this for me.... at 80

13k howling blast crits
12k frost strike crits
17k obliterate crits

So you can technically get off 4x howling blast + 4x frost strike +2x plague/necrotic strike. or 3x obliterate + 4x frost strike which the frost strikes alone are like up to 50k burst if you crit... and since you get rando crits from killing machines and it resets every target you can be damn sure you are going to do a shitton of burst. So that means a group of 4 dks burst on a target just with frost strikes is close to 100k.

So burst is very very high.

In cata i will probrably be specing into both slowing mechanics and weaving plague strike into things and not always necrotic.


unholy's damage mostly comes from scourge strike, diseases and your death coils, it is very much not a burst spec in my opinion.

[Mercbeast]

Optimum DPS for DW is in Frost Presence, 2h'er Unholy... So 2h'er is a given so you get the 15% run speed out of Unholy Presence.

I've been *super busy*. When I get off tonight I'm going to stream my DK manifesto and post it on the forums. I'm tired of following like 3-4 threads with similar questions and ideas

Heavy debate on the forums if DW or 2h is actually higher DPS in PvP for frost. The numbers are coming out so close that they are easily within standard deviation of each other. The difference is in how these numbers are achieved. 2h will generate more runic power which allows you to spam more rune dumps.

With DK's for me the issue is keeping on a target using IWT melee spam. It isn't ideal, you run up stop swing run stop swing etc. To me this means that 2h is going to be vastly superior in this application. In unholy stance of course.