Cata not so MB friendly

[blbjtb]

I thought in the beta they were making it where you could quest together through phases if you're in the same party?

Collection quests suck for boxers but we've all done it before through WOTLK. They are painful but not like it's going to stop us. If I have to do my guys through those quests one character at a time then that's how it goes. Also heard the drop rates are pretty much 100% now so that's another plus.

Not going to be a walk in the park but I don't think anyone here wants that. For months now I've been bored as hell because there's nothing to do and facerolling heroics forever without any challenge. Most everyone has been so disgusted with how easy the game has become have cancelled until Cata.

Of course nobody wants content that is so hard that they are frustrated just challenged. They also have to keep in mind lots of players suck and can't ramp up things too much where they can't handle it. Normal mode I expect fairly easy on dungeons and heroics to finally feel heroic again.

So early in the beta right now most things are overscaled. Expect tons of nerfs come the end of beta and as the final product gets polished. I think dungeons are harder now in beta because they're trying to test and what you have now is a hybrid of a normal/heroic.

Anyway it's too early to tell. Collection quests won't stop me- gimmick shit where your guys get tossed all over the place is my biggest concern but even then I can see it being done.

Lets Break this down in to three parts.

First the drop rates are really close to 100% and the quest guide really does hold your hand. You can also hover over a mob and it will tell you drops XYZ for quest.... This is really nice and has been a vast improvement over the other questing I have done in games.

Second Facerolling heroics..... You are rocking T9 items obviously you are going to rock conent made for T5/6. So if this is a concern for you guess what a few months after cata is released you will be right back to this step.

Lastly, I have done the single collection quest one at a time its not a big deal I look at as "well I only have to do it this one time."

So Cata not so friendly
BUT
Cata obviously do able.

[jinkobi]

Lets Break this down in to three parts.

First the drop rates are really close to 100% and the quest guide really does hold your hand. You can also hover over a mob and it will tell you drops XYZ for quest.... This is really nice and has been a vast improvement over the other questing I have done in games.

Second Facerolling heroics..... You are rocking T9 items obviously you are going to rock conent made for T5/6. So if this is a concern for you guess what a few months after cata is released you will be right back to this step.

Lastly, I have done the single collection quest one at a time its not a big deal I look at as "well I only have to do it this one time."

So Cata not so friendly
BUT
Cata obviously do able.

I was facerolling heroics with the exception of ICC 5mans in ver substandard gear. Didn't even do normal modes and took my team right into WOTLK heroics in quest blues and greens. They pretty much just used whatever dropped until they accumulated emblems. My point really is it was a faceroll well before my gear overshadowed the place.

Back in TBC if you walked into a heroic with quest blues/greens you'd get your ass kicked.

[Multibocks]

I have done almost all of Vashir now and it's a cool zone but fuck if there isnt a crapload of collection quests. And a few "vehicle" quests where you control a Naga and pwn some fools. One series of quests have you liberating a giant turtle thingie from its Naga infection. Seriously you go inside the turtle and do a bunch of quests. I was hoping for a badass cut scene when you finished, but nothing happened. Ah well.

But ya, I dread this zone for boxing. There was a couple points with only 3 people fighting for the same ground spawns and it was fucking ridiculous. Can't wait for launch, lol.

Oh and one more point: Leveling seemed to be pretty fast. I did 80-82 in about 5 hours. I'm 83 now and can't wait to try Uldum and the other zones they just released =D

[Multibocks]

Back in TBC if you walked into a heroic with quest blues/greens you'd get your ass kicked

Actually I remember soloing heroics with 5 shaman and doing pretty well. I hit 80 right before Wrath launched with my shaman team and went right into heroics. How's that for easy?

Ok if you did it when Wrath first came out then I call bullshit. I remember the multiple threads that popped up, "How do I kill the elemental boss in Gundrak?" as an example. Yes if you came after the initial rush then it was easier, strats were out. No one was facerolling heroics when Wrath first launched. Sorry.

You know what would be cool though? If heroics were impossible for boxers in Cataclysm. Oh the joy! It would be so FUN!

edit: Also boxing software has come a fucking long way and talents have been redesigned for many classes. Ele sham used to have NO scaling talents. So ya, shits easier now, want a cookie?

[Alemi]

Actually I remember soloing heroics with 5 shaman and doing pretty well. I hit 80 right before Wrath launched with my shaman team and went right into heroics. How's that for easy?

In BC you could pretty much run 5 shaman without a tank and complete every heroic. I did - especially when we horribly outgeared the instance. At the start of Wrath, there was absolutely no soloing any complete instance with 5 shaman. Esp when our Earth Ele's and Fire Ele's didn't scale either (wasn't this fixed when Ulduar came out?).

edit: Also boxing software has come a fucking long way and talents have been redesigned for many classes. Ele sham used to have NO scaling talents. So ya, shits easier now, want a cookie?

Truth.

Remember when, as an ele shaman, the only "fix" for us was to spec into dual-wield to double flametongue to keep our dps only slightly below par with other dps classes that scaled? We didn't get Shamanism until 3 months after Wrath hit and right before Ulduar came out. Fun times!

[Iceorbz]

You know what would be cool though? If heroics were impossible for boxers in Cataclysm. Oh the joy! It would be so FUN!

edit: Also boxing software has come a fucking long way and talents have been redesigned for many classes. Ele sham used to have NO scaling talents. So ya, shits easier now, want a cookie?

I would like to see us forced to manage a few more cooldowns, and CC. Having to use hex I think will be interesting.

When's the last time you were worried about interrupting a mob other then gundrak? Make use more abilities and be creative, we were in Halls of Reflection, we will be in cataclysm. I think blizzard is on the right track

[Multibocks]

I would like to see us forced to manage a few more cooldowns, and CC. Having to use hex I think will be interesting.

When's the last time you were worried about interrupting a mob other then gundrak? Make use more abilities and be creative, we were in Halls of Reflection, we will be in cataclysm. I think blizzard is on the right track

You know this is fine the first time, but seriously who wants to CC this, interrupt that, Kite him, oh and dont touch that x 365? If Algalon, Lich King, or Alone in the Dark was my daily quest everyday? Ya that would get so on my nerves. At what point does this become fun? If you have beat it once great. If blizzard requires me to beat it again 7 times a week it's no longer fun and it's tedious. I don't think dungeons that we need to clear daily for the new emblems should be "challenging all the time." Which is what you seem to want.

If I had to do a lich king heroic that took 2 hours to complete, because of wiping, I wouldn't be playing this game. That is pure masochism and not fun.

I think blizzard's model right now is perfect. When Lich King first launched the dungeons were difficult and I did spend quite a bit learning each encounter and wiping. By the time Ulduar was dropped it wasn't so hard anymore. This is good, because I don't really care to do a wipe fest everyday for my daily. I think they got it perfect.

[Iceorbz]

You know this is fine the first time, but seriously who wants to CC this, interrupt that, Kite him, oh and dont touch that x 365? If Algalon, Lich King, or Alone in the Dark was my daily quest everyday? Ya that would get so on my nerves. At what point does this become fun? If you have beat it once great. If blizzard requires me to beat it again 7 times a week it's no longer fun and it's tedious. I don't think dungeons that we need to clear daily for the new emblems should be "challenging all the time." Which is what you seem to want.

If I had to do a lich king heroic that took 2 hours to complete, because of wiping, I wouldn't be playing this game. That is pure masochism and not fun.

I think blizzard's model right now is perfect. When Lich King first launched the dungeons were difficult and I did spend quite a bit learning each encounter and wiping. By the time Ulduar was dropped it wasn't so hard anymore. This is good, because I don't really care to do a wipe fest everyday for my daily. I think they got it perfect.

I think your exaggerating quite a bit. As you can see, I think halls of reflection is the perfect difficulty for a "heroic instance". Having to use your classes abilities is why they were put in the game. We used them in Vanilla, and BC... then went away from it towards the end of BC and into Lich King using more spells then consecration + a caster aoe was the standard. Dungeons don't have to be rediculous, I don't feel like we should ding 80 and be hitting heroics.

[thefunk]

nothing is impossible - people here have proved time and again. Especially 10 boxing, i personally was skeptical and yet seeing people clear most of ICC is pretty spectacular.

It raises a particularly interesting point about multi-boxing

Do you play for the challenge of playing against the initial design of WoW, or because you can easily kill/clear content? Like Khatovar I'm in it for the complexity and challenge of "can it be done with 1 person".

[kate]

I'm personally fascinated by the areas of process automation and effort scaling. While we cannot automate when boxing in WoW, we can do effort scaling, and it's quite interesting to try and accomplish this.

Now that I am feeling somewhat more comfortable with the mechanics of WoW and the various fights in general, as well as the physical mechanics of boxing (meaning: I have a reasonably ergonomic key layout, I am not so surprised by everything I experience in the game that I forget to move people out of fire, or otherwise get too excited and spam random keys, etc.) I'm really enjoying looking at it from a standpoint of how the fights work as phases and steps, and how to devise approaches that allow one person to accomplish what, by design, should take at least 5 to do.

The other thing I like about boxing - though I also experience this when I am solo boxing and tagging along on a raid - is that I can stand back a bit and look at fights like they're kind of an RTS, except much more interesting because there are so very, very many variables that can affect each unit involved. When raiding with Nighthawke and Coltimar (we will get you, Toravon!) it was really pretty interesting to be able to spend 10% of my attention on healing as needed with the other 90% watching what we were doing from a tactical standpoint and figuring out what was going awry or areas of improvement.