Cata not so MB friendly

[SideWays]

I truly hope that heroic modes are actually gonna be heroic. That slaying a new boss means something, even if it takes a while to nail it down. Most wotlk hc's were very easy for me to multibox (both as new boxer and new wow player). If the minimum difficulty level would be the ICC dungeons in sub 219 gear, then i'd be happy.

I don't think that any heroic should be multiboxable by any joe multiboxer. Not so much of the system (i.e. mounted combat), but rather due to the fight mechanics. Nothing wrong with a good portion of skill required to multibox cata hc's (even if that would mean i coming short myself).

^ this.

Seriously I really miss the challenge. It's way too casual atm. And to those saying the game isn't casual, look at this:

You ding 80, you can instantly grab about 4 BiS items (or at least iLevel 264 items) for your char. Easy? Go do VoA25 and grab another piece with a little luck. After that PuG or guild run ICC10 / 25 and you probably almost hit the gear cap without ever seeing Naxxramas, Ulduar or ToC. That has been impossible before and explains why many players don't know their class anymore. They have almost no experience before they enter the final raid of an expansion..

I did Alone in the Dark and everything but Lich King 25 HM in ICC on my single char, but stopped a while ago. Basically you are saying because of two bosses the content isn't casual. The problem is you get equal loot from all the other bosses in ICC too.

[Zub]

^ this.

Seriously I really miss the challenge. It's way too casual atm. And to those saying the game isn't casual, look at this:

You ding 80, you can instantly grab about 4 BiS items (or at least iLevel 264 items) for your char. Easy? Go do VoA25 and grab another piece with a little luck. After that PuG or guild run ICC10 / 25 and you probably almost hit the gear cap without ever seeing Naxxramas, Ulduar or ToC.

we're 2 years into the expansion.

if that wasn't the case, people would still need to run normals > heroics > Naxx > Ulduar > ToC > ICC.
no way people that level alts are going to do this again so blizz made it easier. It wasn't like that the day Wotlk cam out.

[Multibocks]

^ this.

Seriously I really miss the challenge. It's way too casual atm. And to those saying the game isn't casual, look at this:

You ding 80, you can instantly grab about 4 BiS items (or at least iLevel 264 items) for your char. Easy? Go do VoA25 and grab another piece with a little luck. After that PuG or guild run ICC10 / 25 and you probably almost hit the gear cap without ever seeing Naxxramas, Ulduar or ToC. That has been impossible before and explains why many players don't know their class anymore. They have almost no experience before they enter the final raid of an expansion..

I did Alone in the Dark and everything but Lich King 25 HM in ICC on my single char, but stopped a while ago. Basically you are saying because of two bosses the content isn't casual. The problem is you get equal loot from all the other bosses in ICC too.

Ah I see you are an elitist. The fact that you have done Alone in the Dark puts you in a very small percentage of WoW players. But that isn't good enough for you, you need a giant arrow above your head saying, "Better than you, by a lot." You need a big set of spaulders that barely encompass your already huge head. Understand that what you are complaining about is only possible because we are at the end of Wrath. BTW, lol at winning anything in VOA25. I haven't won shit since I have been playing and that's a lot of vault raids.

Oh and quit hiding behind :

why many players don't know their class anymore

because we know you don't actually want the majority of the player base to have the same equipment as you.

I like blizzard's system. If you are casual then you are always 2 steps behind the raiders. Makes it much easier to take a break and then come back without having to raid Ulduar then ToC to see ICC. Fuck that.

edit: I realize that it's possible you have a character not listed, but none of your guys have ulduar completed and only one has a kingslayer title (which looks bought because there are not many other achieves). You better get caught up on Ulduar and ToC achieves, because you shouldn't be in ICC by your logic. Oh and pps I have no qualms about buying KS, I've done it on a character just so I could get invited to raids.

[daviddoran]

I hope the phasing is different. From what I've seen, the phasing isnt an area you travel through, but rather the world changing around you, so hopefully if you turn in the quest on all your guys at once, you shouldnt have a problem.

And I REALLY hope blizzard gets their heads out of their asses about collection quests. Make the items lootable to everyone in the party and it solves the problem entirely.

[Multibocks]

Have you beat any hardmodes? Come back when you have done Alone in the Dark and LK 25 HM. No way you will say that shit is easy.

Makes me fucking angry when people call this game easy yet they haven't even tried the hard shit. Well no wonder it's easy!

[Iceorbz]

Have you beat any hardmodes? Come back when you have done Alone in the Dark and LK 25 HM. No way you will say that shit is easy.

Makes me fucking angry when people call this game easy yet they haven't even tried the hard shit. Well no wonder it's easy!

Most of wow is a gearcheck, not a skill check. Yes I can perform to standards of an "elite" player, I did in MC, BWL, ZB, Naxx, ToC, and yes I've done some hardmodes in ICC (and would have done more) if I choose to raid instead of level my RAF. I have been able to keep the percentages and timing of cooldowns and rotations to those parsed by computer models, while account for boss movement and encounter mechanics. My current schedule only allows for a few nights a week to play, not to mention gearscore nazi's. I think cataclysm will change this when we only have to do a few raids on a person instead needing to do 10, 25's, voa's, weekly's, daily pvp's and such to keep up with the gear each week.

I really think the quality of player has gone down in this game compared to some raid guilds in others games like everquest (In its competitive time period). Many players don't even know how other classes function and are unable to think outside of the box for just about everything.

I see some fights that require a few interesting mechanics, but there haven't been many that I'm like "HOLY SHIT- Thats rough". I mean honestly, when people can down the content the week it's out.... how hard was it really? When you can multibox content -- how hard is it really? There is a large margin of error allowed by this game, sure in some hardmodes it may gib you... but how often will you lose a raid if one healer is off by a second or two?

Anyone remember healing chains, and orders? Class specific healing assignments, real raid triage (I will let him die because hes not important, and I can't spare the mana to save him?) Specific assignments for innervate, cd rotations that stuff made the game exciting and fun and it shouldn't be just "hard modes", it should start with face rape and make people work hard for it. I think Heroic Halls of Reflection should be a symbol of the minimum difficulty for an low level encounter (at 80).

[outdrsyguy1]

I'm with you Multibocks, it's amazing how many people say wow is easymode now and faceroll yet i bet 95% of them have never cleared any full raid of hardmodes or even heroic raids. I think it's damn fantastic that they let average people and pugs be able to clear raid content. This game is so much better than it was when you had to work politics to get in raids all the time and stay in the good graces of your guild. Forget missing raids and getting dropped off the starter team....

It will be multiboxable, and hard like when northrend started i'm sure. But remember, blizz wants 5 noobs to be able to clear and see content... you can multibox better than 5 noobs, trust me.

[confusedtx5]

It will be multiboxable, and hard like when northrend started i'm sure. But remember, blizz wants 5 noobs to be able to clear and see content... you can multibox better than 5 noobs, trust me.

^^ I agree with this. Blizz won't alienate 90% (ish? - random number on my part) of their player base (read: the noobs) by making norm dungeons only do able when you're 2 levels above the 'recommended' level.

[heyaz]

by the subject it sounded like the whole game wasn't multibox friendly

you just meant the quests and leveling

it was like that before...

[SideWays]

Lol I seriously don't want a flame war here, I just wanna say that first:

Those are my multiboxing characters I "abandoned" 6 months ago and now reactivated. I stated before that I did those raids on my single characters which are not listed here and which I don't play anymore.

Also, I didn't buy that Kingslayer, I helped some RL friends by migrating to their shitty PvE server because they couldn't get Kingslayer with their guild. That's why I transfered my team to their server and that way maybe get back to WoW again and prepare for Cataclysm. Anyway, I'm happy you like the game that way. Have fun.