Keyclone vs ISBoxer - my experience

[OzPhoenix]

A good review, and a fair one at that.

I think Rob did a great job with Keyclone and I think it's a great option for those looking for easy and simple multiboxing software.

That said, the highly impressive configurability of ISBoxer won me over after a year or so of happily running with Keyclone and it's been worth every cent. The sheer power of the tricky things it can do has made running my 5xPaladin team, my first all-melee team, vastly easier than it might otherwise have been.

One thing I'd change, is move the Subscription model from the Con section the to Pro section and for the same reason I had hoped Diablo III would be subscription based - it lends itself highly to the developer of the content, whatever it may be, to a process of continual improvement (a nice Six Sigma/Lean/GDF buzzword, but a true one too).

One Con I would agree with though, is the relatively sparse documentation for such a versatile and powerful program. I know there's user made tutorials, as well as Lax's own tutorials, and while they're very helpful I found the lack of complete, detailed and exhaustive documentation to be an issue, both in the intiial (and relatively steep) learning curve, and more importantly in a way, when I got comfortable with ISBoxer and started looking to do more powerful things with it.

Lax though has been always available, both here and over at ISBoxer.com and has readily, speedily and informatively answered any question I've put up there, so this Con is somewhat mitigated by that, but some in-depth doco delving right down into the nitty gritty of ISBoxer would be welcome (if such exists, please point me to it, and I'll happily stand corrected).

Props to both Rob and Lax for their software (and Jafula too for the absolutely must-have Jamba add-on).

[Lax]

To be fair there is the User Manual which is fairly in depth, granted some pages are incomplete: http://www.isboxer.com/wiki/User_Manual

In my experience though, when people complain about the documentation they're not really looking for the documentation. It's always something really obscure and specific to their needs and they want a step by step walkthrough of how to do it, and if that walkthrough doesn't exist then "the documentation sucks"

And yeah, I agree with you Oz on the subscription model -- not only does it make sure development continues, but it also makes sure tech support is available! Another thing is that I have been developing the next generation of software, and it will be available for no extra cost to current subscribers. If it was on a single payment model, you'd have to buy a new product every year (or continue using the old and busted) and there would be a dramatic price increase each time

All that said, Zub made a fair assessment.

[Lyonheart]

To be fair there is the User Manual which is fairly in depth, granted some pages are incomplete: http://www.isboxer.com/wiki/User_Manual

And yeah, I agree with you Oz on the subscription model -- not only does it make sure development continues, but it also makes sure tech support is available! Another thing is that I have been developing the next generation of software, and it will be available for no extra cost to current subscribers.

Some of us dummies need step by step!

My guild mates probably get sick of my bragging about how much I love ISBoxer now! I'm always on vent saying " OMG! I just laid down 5 sets of treants and hurricanes in an instant!" or "Holy crap! I just switched screens and had to double check that it actually swapped because it happened so fast I could not see it switch! "

Being able to. for example, have one or two classes on a team that have GTAE spells and keymap it so when they hit that hotkey, they start their GTAE and the rest of the team do normal spells. Its just a dream!

That said, It took me a year of trying it out every now and then to finally switch. With my pal-sham team.. Keyclone worked just right for me. So i found it hard to make the prema switch. It wasn't until I made my druid team and paly team that I started thinking I need to figure out ISBoxer ( for the ease of mouse broadcasting and IWT ) that i finally made the switch!

Also going from a focus based system to FTL is another thing that ISBoxer makes so much better. Now i can use focus to assign CC targets and such( which will come in handy in Cata with all the CC that will be needed) I feel LIBERATED!

And your working on next gen? how could it get any better!?!

[Mercurio]

Another thing is that I have been developing the next generation of software, and it will be available for no extra cost to current subscribers.

Um... woot! Whatever the improvements, I'm sure they'll help us keep up with the Cata jump in boxing difficulty - thanks Lax! It's you vs Blizzard!

[zanthor]

Every time I think lax hit the end of innovation he manages to step up his game. I'm looking forward to seeing the new app and all the new toys!

Sent from my Android!

[jstanthr]

i got a ? for those of you that use isboxer, i see in a lot of youtube vids people using mouse broadcasting in isboxer. is it hard to setup and get working good? that is one of my main reasons for thinking of moving to isboxer is the ability to finally cast those "pieplate" aoe's.

Thanks in advance,
JsT

[MiRai]

i got a ? for those of you that use isboxer, i see in a lot of youtube vids people using mouse broadcasting in isboxer. is it hard to setup and get working good? that is one of my main reasons for thinking of moving to isboxer is the ability to finally cast those "pieplate" aoe's.

Thanks in advance,
JsT

This deserves its own thread but since I read almost everything on this site I'll reply. Yes it's very easy. All you need is for your games to be set at the same resolution in order to get 1:1 broadcasting. This requires more power from your hardware but seeing as you've got a sexy sounding rig you shouldn't have any issue with this.

[Zub]

i got a ? for those of you that use isboxer, i see in a lot of youtube vids people using mouse broadcasting in isboxer. is it hard to setup and get working good? that is one of my main reasons for thinking of moving to isboxer is the ability to finally cast those "pieplate" aoe's.

Thanks in advance,
JsT

using an old dual core with 2GB of Ram to 5-box.
i have video set to low, but still i can mouse broadcast fairly well. My hurricane and blizzard hit about the same spot all the time.

The setup is as easy as checking one box in the key map you chose.
mine is numpad5, all i had to do was checking the 'send next click' box. Basically it sends a click at the mouse position and that's it. so your ground targetting circle actually casts the spell, on all windows (or those you chose) at the same time as your main

[Akoko]

I have to agree. The best thing you can do when moving from Keyclone or any of the scripting alternatives to ISBoxer is to simply discard everything you have, including macros and key bindings and just use the Wizard to create a new team from scratch. You'll be amazed that you can re-do, simplify, and vastly improve your entire setup that took you weeks and months in a couple hours

[MiRai]

I have to agree. The best thing you can do when moving from Keyclone or any of the scripting alternatives to ISBoxer is to simply discard everything you have, including macros and key bindings and just use the Wizard to create a new team from scratch. You'll be amazed that you can re-do, simplify, and vastly improve your entire setup that took you weeks and months in a couple hours

This thread almost made it an entire year without being necro'd. And we all know what happens to threads
that get necro'd don't we?!

EDIT: Just kidding... I guess I'll just leave it open until people start discussing things that aren't relevant anymore.