Talking to Bornakk about Raid Rewards in Cata

[OzPhoenix]

So I was on the forums tonight and ended up in a conversation with Bornakk about the merits of reducing the proposed Guild Advancements for Raiding from it's current 7/10 for 10-player Raids and 20/25 for 25-player Raids to 5/10 and 12/25 respectively; the object being to allow two guilds to split the advancement awarded.

Obviously being in my own guild of 5 online (at any time) on a realm with other 5-boxers in the same situation, this is an issue I have some concern over.

I've linked the thread in case anyone is interested. I'm "Auctioneer" on the forums and I think our conversation started up around page 2 and continued to page 7 before I had to head off.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...6870&sid=1#125

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to convince Bornakk it seems in the merits or reducing the 7/10 20/25 requirements to 5/10 12/25.

[Svpernova09]

Bornakk has absolutely no pull with what the devs decide to do. Sure he can offer an opinion. But other than that...

[OzPhoenix]

Bornakk has absolutely no pull with what the devs decide to do. Sure he can offer an opinion. But other than that...

True, the most he could do is offer an opinion, unfortunately it would seem unlikely he'll do even that, since he seems fairly adamant that guilds should be sufficiently large to field 7 or 20 raiders regularly.

[Svpernova09]

I pretty much agree, If you're not taking that many to a boss kill, it's not enough to claim it as a guild kill.

[Gurblash]

I believe this is how the guild progression trackers work. When we ran hard modes on Madoran we had to have 7 from the guild in order for us to get credit for a kill, iirc.

[OzPhoenix]

I pretty much agree, If you're not taking that many to a boss kill, it's not enough to claim it as a guild kill.

Well, I'd have to say I disagree. I see no harm at all in allowing 2 guilds to share (that is a 50/50 split) the advancement points awarded from a kill.

[Svpernova09]

Well, I'd have to say I disagree. I see no harm at all in allowing 2 guilds to share (that is a 50/50 split) the advancement points awarded from a kill.

But it's not the guild's kill. It's 5 people FROM the guild, even if the guild is 5 people. It's just 5 people who pug. In blizzard's eyes it's not a guild. Maybe I think this way because I spent a long time tracking guild progression for a realm, and I've run guilds where we didn't get credit for kills when we had X people without the guild tag on the kill yet they ran with us every week.

[Pycno]

Well, I'd have to say I disagree. I see no harm at all in allowing 2 guilds to share (that is a 50/50 split) the advancement points awarded from a kill.

The only reason I see that will explain Blizzards take on this is if they want to reduce the number of guilds. Maybe they will say something like "We want fewer but more meaningful guilds, DURP DUURP".

I think it makes sense in a way, guilds that used to cooperate may take the cooperation to a new level by fully merging into one guild bringing them closer. Also reducing the amount of guilds will make it easier to get known also, instead of being one in hundreds of guilds one might be one in tens of guilds instead - easier to get a negative/positive reputation etc.

Personally I think this seems like a good change, guilds will be encouraged to merge into larger guilds and small guilds will become less attractive. The reason I like this is that there is too many guilds for me to keep track of, there is four guilds on my server that I know something about - namely if they are good or bad.

[Gurblash]

guilds will be encouraged to merge into larger guilds and small guilds will become less attractive.

Just in time for Blizzard to release their new 40man raid!

[OzPhoenix]

The only reason I see that will explain Blizzards take on this is if they want to reduce the number of guilds. Maybe they will say something like "We want fewer but more meaningful guilds, DURP DUURP".

I think it makes sense in a way, guilds that used to cooperate may take the cooperation to a new level by fully merging into one guild bringing them closer. Also reducing the amount of guilds will make it easier to get known also, instead of being one in hundreds of guilds one might be one in tens of guilds instead - easier to get a negative/positive reputation etc.

Personally I think this seems like a good change, guilds will be encouraged to merge into larger guilds and small guilds will become less attractive. The reason I like this is that there is too many guilds for me to keep track of, there is four guilds on my server that I know something about - namely if they are good or bad.

Why do you need to know about all the guilds?

A big part of the reason I 5-box is for independence from large guilds, which inevitably are drama-ridden emo-trips. I won't be taking me teams into a nameless large guild, even if I did get accepted, which most likely I wouldn't anyway.

I just don't understand the negativity behind small guilds. There's no harm in small guilds. No-one's hurt by them, yet Blizzard seems to have a negative view of them.