Talking to Bornakk about Raid Rewards in Cata

[OzPhoenix]

Who is being denied? You keep talking like Blizzard is only allowing guild advancement via this one tiny aspect. They aren't, and I find it kind of laughable that you talk about Blizzard denying players something, when these small guilds are built entirely around preventing other players from joining.

/sigh Show me where, ever, just once, I have said, inferred, hinted or otherwise stated that this would be closing off a small guilds only avenue of advancement? Anywhere.......

You explain to me why they should? You say 5, but why stop there? I can still be the highest represented guild just playing 2 toons in a 25 man raid, especially in a world full of vanity guilds. So why 5?

Because as a natural principle of game development wouldn't you want any new system to be open to all players? If the system weren't open to all playstyles shouldn't there be a specific reason for that? Why do I have to prove that 5-player guilds are entitled to this? The burden of proof should be on the other side proving why 5 player guilds shouldn't be entitled to this.

I don't read the WoW forums, thanks. And I never said anything about this preventing anyone from doing whatever they want, what I am pointing out is people seem to think they should be entitled to every single thing no matter how they play, and if BLizzard doesn't agree, then they have something against you and they're actively out to get you. Like this

Since small guilds are being slightly disadvantaged by the 7/10 raid requirement I think it is fair to say that this system is slightly anti-small guild. However, in stating that, I've never put forward a persecution complex and claimed that this stance was motivated by an attempt somehow to personally get me. What other people do is relevant to the merits of the points I'm putting forward, so why bring those peoples reactions into this discussion.

And how exactly does that prevent alts from other guilds from JOINING your guild and YOUR alts joining THEIR guild? No one loses banks, no one loses their guild name and now you've got 2 separate raid forces so both guilds win.

Because the alts won't be raiding. So there's nothing gained by having 2 alts of one multiboxer join the other multiboxers guild, unless they're actually going to be there in the raid, in which case, his own toons won't.

But you seem to be far more interested in proving this is some sort of persecution than being happy with the fact that we've all, yes ALL, got a new collection of toys to play with in guild perks.

I refute that completely. I have never once claimed this as some sort of personal persecution of me by Blizzard. I've merely stated simple facts i) the system discriminates against small guilds and ii) no-one at Blizzard nor certainly in this thread has provided a valid justification for that discrimination.

Nor have I sought to overplay the scope of the discrimination. It merely closes off one - and only one - avenue for small guild advancement. Small guilds, mine included, will still have plenty of opportunity to advance and I am, on the whole, very happy with this system. I'm just pointing out one of its defects is all.