The Ugly Guys at level 75 - lolsmite

[DLoweinc]

I'm not totally sold on these guys at 80 for WotLK, though they could be ok for Cata. I think mana is going to be a huge issue in the expansion, but I'll also be able to really control my mana by alternating holy nova and smite. Also, I'll have 4 or 5x mana burn, which should take out any healer from the battle.

All I do know is these guys are a ton of fun. However, I really don't like AB anymore when 5 boxing. Either tons of love, or tons of hate. Given how often Ally win on my BG, I get tons of hate, even if at the end of the game I have around 50 kills and 15 total deaths with many node assaults. They want you to go on offense as well as stay back and defend. Oh well...

I was specifically going to ask this question because the few times I have 5boxed my guys in BG's I get hate about controlling 1/2, 1/3 or 1/8 of the total number of players in there.

I mean it makes sense that if you are controlling a good portion of the total number of people in there that you have the biggest amount of responsibility for any win or loss.

Would you say that you end up winning more than losing? The one day I spent a few hours doing this I just ended up turning off my BG chat so it stopped bothering me, but what bothered me more was that I wasn't making a big difference because I hadn't spent a whole lot of time figuring out how to pvp my group properly.

[Owltoid]

I feel like I'm honest with myself, and would admit if I was the cause of loss. If I'm having a bad day in WoW, then I can definitely cause the loss. However, even though we lost more than 50% of the AB games, I'm certain the my priest team pulled their weight plus some. I can't say the same for my druid team.

I think the priest team is going to be very good in EotS this weekend.

[DLoweinc]

Thanks for the feedback. When my ret's are at 80 I may try pvp for a bit and see how that goes

[ghonosyph]

Ghono, since you're in beta, can you please clarify something for me?! I'm not sure if chakra is in the beta build yet, but it's annoying me to no end that mmo-champion, and other sites, have the chakra talent calculator showing what looks like a mistake.

Chakra says you can enter into a chakra state with heal, prayer of healing, or renew. It then lists the benefits for those three. However, it also lists the benefits for smite. Did they just forget to add smite to the list of spells that will put you in chakra or is it a passive buff? (please be passive buff, please be passive buff.... wishing probably won't help)

CURRENTLY(as of the last new beta patch) THIS is how the talent reads:

Chakra
when you use prayer of healing, renew, or heal 3 times in a row you will enter a chakra state empowering you for 20 seconds. you can only be in one at a time.

then it lists the 4 spells, including smite. the upper portion tooltip does not reflect that smite is used to get the shakra but it is. You have to cast 3 times to make it proc. And YES IT IS A passive buff, when you get 3 casts in a row, you get the chakra bonus. Its THAT simple you get a buff on you that lasts for 20 seconds

Only allowed to be one chakra state at a time but its currently bugged and you can have 2 or 3 up at once lol. not sure if intentional but its like this now

Your healing stuff is awesome here, and using spells you "don't normally use" you're gonna use. You should, because its going to make things better for you

From what i've seen just playing with this for a few minutes for you, i cant WAIT to do my priests lol

[Owltoid]

I was hoping it was a truly passive buff that applied regardless if you were in Chakra, or maybe the smite bonus applied if you were in any of the three Chakra states, but is sounds like they're just missing smite from the beginning of the description oh well. I'm not sure how useful that spell is going to be for PvP, and for PvE I was planning on using a discipline build, so I'm not sure I'll even be putting talent points into it.

Thanks for taking a look!

[ghonosyph]

lol no its not "on all the time"... you have to cast the spell 3 times in a row to get the bonus. lol its pretty good imo, especially empowered renew

[Owltoid]

Sorry, I'm still confused.

As I understand it, if you cast renew three times in a row, you only get the renew bonus.
If you cast prayer of healing three times in a row, you only get the prayer of healing bonus.

Since smite isn't listed, is it possible that if you're in any of the three chakras, you also get the smite bonus?

There's only three situations that I see:
1) They forgot to add smite to the start of the text and it will be fixed later
2) Smite is a passive bonus that you get just for getting that talent, you don't need to be in a chakra state to get the benefit
3) The smite benefit shows up if you're in any of the three chakras, but you can't enter into a chakra by using smite

I'm guessing it's #1, but who the hell knows

[ghonosyph]

Its number one, they don't have smite listed but it works as if it were.
Basically when you talent in to this you cast a spell 3 times then enter the empowered state associated with that spell. its op ATM lol

[Owltoid]

What's your impression on empowered renew? I was planning on using that like a flash heal (when someone is being focused just have 5x renew on the toon to get the instant heal plus HoT).

[Owltoid]

Its number one, they don't have smite listed but it works as if it were.
Basically when you talent in to this you cast a spell 3 times then enter the empowered state associated with that spell. its op ATM lol

The chakra state is nice, with 9% more damage, but I'm not sure I'd consider it OP considering you have to stand there and spam smite three times in a row. I'm not sure I'd ever do that in PvP. I'll likely take the 'Test of Faith' allowing my toons to increase healing healing 12% on targets below 50%.