Why Are We Hated So Much?

[OzPhoenix]

Another point to note Galaxy is that multiboxing is much more widely known and accepted now, than it used to be.

If I were single-boxing as a tank, I'd be quite happy to have a triple-boxer in my group, knowing that I could rest assured I'd have focused fire DPS backing me up.

If you're getting a period of hate, then (hopefully) it's just an unlucky run - it's been my experience nowadays that opinion has turned largely, though admittedly not exclusively, in favour of what we do.

[zenga]

I am currently tri-boxing ele-shamans. More often than not the tank or tank/heals will ask if I'm multiboxing then drop group immediately after. I lose a tank/heal atleast one out of four groups and catch flak in others. People hate multiboxers. Other than them getting smashed in pvp does anyone know why this is?

You can't really expect single boxers to just play along with multiboxers. Nor can you expect them to 'like' it. Maybe they just leave because your gear isn't awesome enough, maybe they leave because they are uneducated about the subject and think you are cheating, or maybe they have just bad experiences with other boxers. The 30m penalty for leaving must be worth it to them.

That being said i've seen 2 types of boxers on my realm: the ones that do it for the challenge and the ones that do it to show how much they pwn. The latter ones are generally just interested in the extra force and are bloody irritating. They cause the first ones a bad name and basically I don't want to be associated with them whatsoever.

There were boxers on my realm before i started, but apparently i was the first really 'visible' one with huge online times. In the beginning i got the same 'chinese, ebay, ... ' comments. But that changed really fast when they saw me keeping it cool and answering any questions they have. Bottomline, horde on my realm is very tolerant towards boxing. I never force anyone to play along with me. In WG and AV i play for the team: guarding a tower or workshop, go for the vehicles, etc rather then trying to show off. I got a lot of alliance players making a level 1 toon to tell me all the nice things in the world. The conversation usually ends with 'thanks for explaining me about boxing' and it results in them /wave quite often when they see me in dala or in wg.

The big turn point was when they saw i was gearing up, that i was clearing dungeons, that i could solo play as a tank in their pugs or that i did pretty good dps in their VoA. They saw i was serious about my playing, that i didn't got them in trouble and that i wasn't causing any problems. Now i'm getting asked very often to join pugs.

In short: i think it depends a lot on how you act yourself how much hate you create/get.

[Akoko]

Although I'm currently taking a break from mutliboxing, the #1 reason I get hate messages is because of taking up too many valuable BG slots with my 4 shaman. Either I would completely dominate, or I would be utterly useless and I would die so much that my toons would end up in separate graveyards.

Multiboxing in BG's seems to be mostly psychological warfare. Either they're afraid of you and their ranks become disorganized and picked off individually, or there's one blood elf with half a brain who rushes in and silences your group and the rest of the team disables and CC's you. After this first kill, they aren't afraid of you anymore and it goes downhill. Or maybe I'm just bad.

[HPAVC]

First, why aren't you queuing them all as dps+healer or dps x2 and healer only? I am sure you would be well served by this change. The second to rule out a heal only guy joining.

Anyways dungeon queues are often all about turning the instance around quickly and not messing around with bs. If I am in a group with some guy that might be an issue, forget it I am gone (might be the response people have). That would be what I would get out of the drops in your queues.

Sure multiboxing is likely what gives them a doubt, but that's really all someone needs to have to drop a group. In the era of people waiting hours for 5+k gear scores to come knocking for crap raids, this has got to be expected.

The queue issue, not sure its ignorance entirely really, anymore than people wanting 5+k gear scores for almost every raid possible. Sure those people will be waiting for what seems like forever and that might be 'ignorant' that the content might be well in reach of half that gear score and that they would be done with the raid already if they had picked up people. But I can see their point in point in trying to weed out possible problems, especially if tanks can actual charge for queues.

[Littleburst]

I think that for people that play BG's they might feel a little ripped off. Take this as a possible scenario.

Some dude spends eons gearing up his toon. He has some uber high epeen score (that took a long time to get I might add) and is used to killing pretty much all the undergeared BG folks. He's pretty cool (just look at his epeen rating after all). This is a good life (lets be honest here, who DOESN'T like doing this?)

Then along comes a welfare geared 5 box shammy, nothing but 10 losses a week and the WG weeklies.

Then all of a sudden Captain Epeen starts getting one or two shotted by our shammies (who have a total weekly time investment of about 45 minutes...clearly we're not as hardcore as he is...therefore not as deserving).

If I put myself in Capt Epeen's shoes I'd be kind of frustrated too. I'd be wrong to be frustrated, but I'd still be frustrated. In the end I think it comes down to sour grapes. He died. We didn't. He's pissed.

My two cents.

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I agree with this wise man.


I think gear makes a massive difference. I get about 1 person being not positive about boxing each week, max. I'm sitting on 6k GS x 4. 4/5 wrathfull.

When i queue for daily HC the tank mostly loves to go with me. Because there´s a good chance it´s the fastest run he´ll ever witness at the right level.

In BG it can be extremely powerfull to have 5(me + healer) 6k GS pvp´d geared player. I literally carried a team a couple of eots. The alliance was obviously retarded, but still it's good fun. If you're able to crush their morale in the first couple of minutes by slaughtering them there's a good chance you allready won.

Once you get to the point where you'll add more to your pvp or pve group then a random Pug, then you'll see the negativity drop i think.

[Kruschpakx4]

i got that problem too, but my shamans have enough gear to clear most heroics without a tank, so in general I kick every tank instant when joining the group before he says anything and doing it on my own

[kate]

I don't think we're hated, just misunderstood.

Lots of people seem to be under the impression that we're cheating - to them boxing and botting are pretty much the same thing - and they feel we're ruining a game they love. If I saw someone blatantly "cheating" I'd probably be a bit irked, too, and report them.

So when someone gets irked at me, I just direct them here to learn a little more if they want to so they understand the very big difference between botting and boxing.

[Littleburst]

I don't think we're hated, just misunderstood.

Lots of people seem to be under the impression that we're cheating - to them boxing and botting are pretty much the same thing - and they feel we're ruining a game they love. If I saw someone blatantly "cheating" I'd probably be a bit irked, too, and report them.

Has truth in it for sure. A month ago i had a druid in my BG who was convinced i was botting and not multiboxing. So i would get reported and banned, according to him. Even when i told him i'm boxing, he still knew better what i was doing. Quite hilarious

[EaTCarbS]

All I have to say is...

Haters gonna hate.

[Budkin]

The alliance on my server hate me and my guild lol .They make horde noobs and cry to me cause we camp wg when they win.I always say you do no this is a pvp zone ?Then i tell them to complain to blizz about the crappy bg qs and i would'nt have to spend so much time in wg lol.They think when they win wg that it's safe LOL LOL LOL.I been on this server a very long time so most the horde like me.I did make 4 toons on a new server for a server event and man the hate was flying lol . I run spam me not mod most the time works wonders for hate.